I assume you trying to be funny, but the game is pointless due to being able to buy plex from the store then sell it.
If you for example come from the UK and earned the minimum wage, the plex you can buy for 1 hours real life work is equivalent to something like 8 hours mining at 100mill an hour, effectively earning £1 an hour ingame, so why bother mining in EVE, why not just get your credit card out?
Besides, who in their right mind wants to mine? Much more fun watching a miner go BOOM!
“…then scoop the loot.” There you go, that’s how you earn ISK in-game and have fun at the same time without paying $$$. 
not realy, it’s the pvp that tend to retain player here
Its not the pvp, its the group activity that holds them, the idea of being in a big gang. I remember when Eve was advertising 300k active accounts and the biggest null fight as 6k, which blows that argument out of the water. Some pvp games are down by 3m players according to Steam and Eve is way down at the bottom of that list with 4.5k. People don’t have time and Eve really wants to be a second job.
Hi there,
I did a little experiment to see if what I thought could be confirmed through this simple experiment.
I made an assessment of the real price of the Federation Grand Prix jackets. And for that, I simply made the choice to participate in the Grand Prix.
Tough this Grand Prix, since you have to keep your eyes open for no less than around 7-8 hours. I first started with an Astero whose warp speed I was able to push around 10 AU/s. I blew my face off at a stage located in Low Sec where I stupidly lost a few implants (I had forgotten to jump clone, but it wasn’t a big deal so I continued the experience), then, after a well-deserved break of more than around 12 hours (because this Grand Prix is both long and repetitive, I resumed the race with a Dramiel whose warp speed I was able to push to around 16 UA/s (hyperspace modules + all boosters activated) And again, I blew myself up at a gate located in Low Sec.
Hey! Well believe me, I was very happy to finish this damn race counting almost 500 jumps alone (I don’t know exactly how many there are), and to win the jackpot, namely a crate containing two Federation Grand Prix jackets (one for men and one for women).
Given the difficulty that such a race alone represents (method, endurance, patience, perseverance, etc.), I bet that many capsulers will not reach the end, it is so exhausting, even trying. Many will give up before the end. Moreover, the obvious risk of blowing your head off in the middle of such a race can deter more than one, and this well before the starting line; CCP also lies like a tooth-puller when she announces a race in High Sec totally secure; it’s wrong, and I got fooled because of it, but whatever.
What matters, however, is the scarcity of resulting jackets since it seems obvious that such a race will not have many winners at the finish. So I placed a sell order of 750,000,000.00 ISK for one of the two jackets (the one for men) and I see that some sellers have even gone up to 1 billion, which seems a bit excessive to me . But that’s not the worst, since at the same time, many sellers have put sell orders on these jackets well below 100 million.
The reason is simple: CCP made the unfortunate decision to sell these two jackets via their Hyperspacial Pack at 34€99! Morality, it is therefore all these pseudo-players ready to stupidly spend their IRL money for easy and effortless access to virtual cosmetics, who then place orders to sell these jackets on the New Eden market, while just as stupidly breaking their real price.
This is therefore further proof that CCP manipulates virtual prices by cheating to defend its own interests only; in this case, CCP constrains the rarity of a jacket offered for sale, in order to reduce the chances of virtual personal enrichment of the winners of the Federation Grand Prix. Why are they doing this? It’s simple. CCP presumably needs money, so they cannot conceive that players can be encouraged in the game, to PLEX their subscriptions. And never mind the fact, in their eyes, that the winners of the Federation Grand Prix are affected and come out frustrated. Ultimately, CCP cares little for the art of frustration marketing, encouraging ever more players to take the path of defection.
Q. As I said above, I participated in this Grand Prix of the Federation for experience purposes, and I do not come out of it frustrated, quite the contrary, but I think of all the victorious capsulers who perhaps hoped to profit from this Grand Prix; if this is the case, we will have to convince some sellers (some of whom may be in the pay of CCP, who knows) to please stop slashing the prices of these jackets on the New Eden market…
So keep it up my dear Hilmar, with your business strategies on the cheap, and this in particular by ignoring, as you have been doing for several years, the player base of EvE Online, and you will end up, you and your business, in the wall; it is now absolutely obvious:
Such a waste !
In the meantime, good luck to all the capsulers who will try the Federation Grand Prix despite everything, not having 34€99 to pay for virtual cosmetics. With everywhere IRL, a wave of historic increase in interest rates, the era of easy money is definitely over. With inflation helping, players will therefore have to rely on their meager savings to live on, and CCP should have anticipated this.
Ully Loom
CCP was always adamant that this game should never be an “idle miner”, that any activity in game should require attention.
This is why autopilot doesn’t just warp you straight to a gate. So that if you screw up and autopilot through a high-risk spot, you will lose your ■■■■.
Belt rats in high sec exist so that you can’t just forget you’re sitting in a belt and for an hour.
The game was designed from the outset to provide a sense of constant danger in all activities.
The majority of players embrace that danger. Revell in the thrill of risk and reward.
Missions haven’t changed in 15 odd years because the missions themselves are meaningless beyond loot and DPS, they’re just an excuse to get you undocked, consuming ammo, producing loot and populating space. To get you taking risks.
The thing that keeps them interesting is the crew you run them with, and it’s that crew you run with that can turn the tide on those “bottom-feeders”.
That risk is yours to manage.
u need to get a better job so u can pay more money to ccp
1: the Jackets from the event are different designs to ones being sold in the afterburner and warp packs
2: You failed to mention that there was a cheaper pack that also has the same jackets in, this pack costs the same as 1 month of omega, which also includes 1 month of omega and some other extras, making the jackets essentially free
I could put on my bunny ears and go back to robbing banks, will tell them it is for my EVE subscription.
So the Jacket I mine is not free???
Hello @Drake_Iddon
FAKE! They are pretty much the same jackets, which makes it even worse because of the confusion!
Indeed, I could have quoted this example of rotten pack which reduces to nothing the real value of these jackets, thus impacting all those who have attempted or will attempt the Federation Grand Prix…
Readers of the forum will be able to adjust the conclusions of my experience as they should be:
#HyperspacePackGate
Ully Loom
ps : a small note in passing, 4164-3721=443 replies have already been deleted under this topic; long live censorship…
Yea I have said this many many times, so many players I have known that are older, or not, but have zero interest in pvp, shooting or ganking, or even be gankned, these are the players your alienating CCP, and that player base is huge, and could be much larger, but they never stay playing eve long, because they get ganked while trying to mine, or run Pi and haul stuff, all in high sec… This has become out of hand, and honestly gankers may enjoy this , and justify Thier actions, but how does CCP justify it when the in gankers are chasing players away, again they may love it and get their rocks off, but CCP just lost another customer… All because they can’t provide a environment for these type of players, not to mention these type of players would be huge help to the industry… But yea CCP needs to make .8-1.0 systems near impossible to gank players in, I don’t think they should make it impossible, just very very hard. Such as give us a new module we can put in our mid or low slot depending on what your tanking, armor or shield, that can only be activated in systems .8 and up, that raises the resists to 99 across the board for 10 secs, that way we don’t create an afk catastrophe, and your not afk, you don’t die… Make it harder not impossible, but yea we need to detour gankers in high sec, and need to create a new sec, Mid sec. 0.4-0.7. And we need to open the 0.4 up to mid sec so us miners can get better moon ores, since we are the ones staying out to get ganked… The problem is everyone, CCP only cares what the big null sec groups want, not the small individual guy, and that will be the downfall of Eve, if it doesn’t show now, going from 300k active players to the 14k yesterday then I have no clue what to say anymore, we get on these forums to tell the devs our experience, we do and yet they make it worse for us not better, catering to large null alliances, well CCP when eve does die and you prepare to shut the servers down, remember why this happened…
CCP-- Ohh ■■■■ we should have listened and catered to the little guys, not the big null sec guys, they left eve and there was no one left to play, because over the past years we chased off all the little guys… And never did anything for them…
Very pathetic and disgusting to watch a game such as Eve, (one of the greatest space games ever), deteriorate due to greed and favoritism, being partial to Goons, and other large null sec groups… I’m on the cliff, ready to jump to Star Citizen, or jump back to FPS’s and some Apex, anything that gives me satisfaction, and fun… So so sad…
Have no fear , Kitty online is here.
Seriously what did they expect, EVE is a PvP game.
It’s almost as if this isn’t the game they want to play…
Almost like the game wasn’t designed to provide the kind of casual Stardew Valley play they want…
I mean, I’ve known heaps of players who’ve quit because their market orders keep getting 1isk’ed and they didn’t like it because it wasn’t fair because they wanted to sell their stuff first and didn’t want to compete and CCP is making all those players quit by not giving them their own market server so they can buy and sell without other pesky players competing with them.
To be clear, this is not a “get gud scrub” post.
Eve Online isn’t just a “space trading game”. It is a space game with a very specific ethos and logos, a specific design:
Eve is a dangerous sandbox MMO, where no activity is safe and you must compete to survive and thrive. You can do whatever you want, aim for whatever reward you seek, as long as you accept the risks.
CCP’s target market has long been people who crave that risk vs. reward.
People who will band together to manage those risks, or play for the thrill of it.
If you aren’t that target market, that’s cool, No Man’s Sky or Elite are good space games with a lot of enjoyable elements and a lot less danger.
But CCP is loosing customers because they’ve done a lot to move away from that original logos and the ethos built upon it. Not because a few solo carebears - looking for a different game - get upset about getting ganked.
I like how you think the only risk in the game is a PvP player. No, my friend NPC kills more than PvP players I would argue possibly on a daily basis. So I do agree there needs to be a risk, there needs to be destruction, but it absolutely doesn’t need to be from a PvP player. NPC can replace that with no issues and they are way more effective at it.
If you like PvP that is totally awesome and we need more players like that. Go roam null, wh, and low sec areas looking for that respectable challenger. Join a corp in Alliance in war. There is plenty of content out there. More than enough in those space realms, my opinion is it isn’t needed in high sec unless with consent.
JJ
Oh boy………. Your trolling right?
Hello,
Allow me to enter into your discussion.
Each of you is both wrong and right, but the most important thing is that you both converge on at least one point:
The first person responsible for the debacle of EvE Online is above all and above all the publisher himself, namely here CCP…
Everything else (all the points you mention, agree or not) would have been running smoothly since 2003, if and only if CCP had been able to respect its entire player base. However, when a publisher takes advantage of being the sole holder of the keys to the system in order to gesticulate them at his convenience at the expense of all his players, he inevitably abuses their trust sooner or later. In the case of CCP, it has now been more than a decade since a latent war between CCP and this playerbase has been brewing. So inevitably, after so many years of legitimate defections, we should not be surprised today if the game has lost so much of its candor…
EvE Online was a nugget! There is no equivalent at this stage (we must still watch what is happening on the side of the promising Star Citizen). However, CCP has screwed up its own game by introducing a whole bunch of crap (PLEXs, OMEGAs, EPPs, etc.) which necessarily undermine the current state of the persistent world that New Eden was supposed to become, and this from 2003; it was in any case the original promise of CCP; to tell the truth, New Eden hasn’t been a persistent universe at all for a long time, more precisely since those pesky PLEXs made their appearance… Against all odds, it was the lure of profit that motivated the choices of CCP taking us all for their cash cows, and this without ever offering us anything in return, i.e. without the slightest new content, without the slightest technological evolution (maneuverability of vessels, taking into account the laws of physics, etc.), without the slightest loyalty offer, or even without the slightest thank you! However, EvE Online is indeed the first game in the world for which players from all over the world have invested the most! What has become of all this mass of money, if they are not totally unjustified investments that have all led CCP to have to accumulate so many years of failures in spite of ourselves, failures that are besides all irrelevant lives of EvE Online that they have never stopped milking in order to satisfy their whims of spoiled children…
History, we know it by heart alas! CCP wants us to believe just the opposite, that’s why it will never be the complacent trolls who will be censored on this forum; to hell with the dissatisfied players, they probably say to themselves, preferring to constantly pour into their endless advertising campaign, only knowing how to sell cosmetics, rather than seriously questioning themselves…
At this time, after more than 4,000 responses under this topic, of which more than 400 have been censored, CCP completely evades the problem, even the crisis of mistrust caused by its own decision of a delirious inflation of +33%, which even the current state of CCP’s balance sheet alone cannot justify…
Q. CCP does much more than simple monetization; CCP taxes ever more and pushes for the permanent destruction of all player assets, and it does all of this by abuse of economic dependence in defiance of the persistence of the New Eden universe…
CCP must stop being so stubborn, and wipe the slate clean of more than ten years of mismanagement, before making the wise choice to return to the ancestral rules of New Eden (those that worked perfectly throughout the period 2003-2009 having made the glory of CCP). CCP must opt for a big RESET! It can either decide to do it on a single server, or, as I have so often suggested here and there, open a second server dedicated solely to the original MMO-RPG-RTS (my specimen server called NOSTALGIA) without PLEXs, without OMEGA, without EPP, etc., since at the same time, it would allow the other category called impatient players, excessive consumers of PLEXs, to stand apart on the TRANQUILITY server; an amply justified separation…
The ball is therefore in their court! But they will have to act fast! Because the defections of the players do not wait and continue… Also, as CCP really does need money, well it’s either that (TRANQUILITY + NOSTALGIA) and everyone will be happy in the medium term , or the key under the door in the very short term with regard to the international context (climate runaway, pandemic, war, etc.), contrary to the economic perception of @Brisc_Rubal …
It’s up to you guys… But don’t delay too long, because your longship is taking on water from all sides…
And if the CSM17 really wants to make itself useful for once, then this is indeed the only real subject of discussion which it must seize without delay! A good hearing, I greet you well…
Ully Loom
It must be the asylums annual away day.
Yes and you need to come back
I have a few thoughts on the price increase. A. No other MMO charges this much, CCP (or those really in control) you will drive away a lot of PAYING players. I have already cancelled my Omega sub and I have several friends that have cancelled between 1-4 accounts per person.
B. CCP made a huge mistake when they moved to the free to play model, I would bet you lost a lot of money allowing people to go from Omega to Alpha and now you are forced? to charge those paying players even more to support the game. SHAME.
C. CCP sold out to a greed4life company that is trying to milk the payers while letting the game die. CCP apparently never gave a crap about the people actually supporting the game. Sorry I wasted 11 years off and on.