Butthurt grind bears are gonna butthurt. I’d not be torn too much over this Mike.
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I read them as the Eff-off letter similar to those that some disgruntled employees feel compelled to write to their ex-employer.
I doubt that there is any value to them. The opportunity to promote a different outcome is lost at that point.
I would like to know that CCP is expending significant resources to analyse the accounts of such authors to discover commonalities, but I doubt that is the case.
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If CCP responds to tantrums, it just teaches carebears that they can start crying in the forums and get stuff, so they will cry even more. Just look at the so-called ‘Summer of Rage’ - years later, we are still dealing with manipulative carebears who think they can cry loudly enough to change CCP policy. It’s important to remember that the Silent Majority of players are quite fine with what CCP is doing.
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Just bear in mind there is a difference between one person complaining and many people complaining.
It is impossible for CCP to change the game in response to a single person’s complaints. Would be bad for the game as well, as you said.
But at the same time it is also bad to blanket ignore all complaints. If enough people have the same problem a company should take notice. Or else they will simply be making what they are happy with, and not what the majority of their customers are happy with… Obvious which route that leads to eventually.
On many issues yes I agree the silent majority is happy with what CCP is doing - broadly speaking. Most still enjoy the core gameplay. I do too.
But please don’t think the majority is happy with everything. Just because they don’t post on the official Eve forums you cannot jump to assumptions. If you talk in various chats ingame, other forums and groups and you will find that the ‘silent’ majority is indeed unhappy with some things CCP has done.
Negative feedback is important. A company just has to be able to make the differentiation between what one/two people want and between what is real feedback from many customers that can be used to improve their product…and improve their customer relations.
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In my experience, I haven’t encountered evidence of anyone changing anything for what is expressed in this particular forum.
In fact, I would even venture to assert that there are responses only when logon numbers decline drastically in the form of a sudden backtrack followed by crumbles as damage control.
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Exactly. You hit the ‘nail on the head’ about what has some folks upset. The fact that CCP largely appears to ignore feedback - on the test server and on the forums - and only react if there is major backlash or less log ins. That is exactly why people are trying to tell CCP to pay attention to feedback, because it can be very important. 
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Question: if they got this (without insurance) once, would it? I mean consider the result.
I quit shortly after the Summer of Rage (I’m back now, whoop dee doo, who cares). I don’t think it was “carebear” mentality that drove that. It was pretty much a universal derision of CCP putting resources behind “walking in stations” Incarna, the introduction of the microtransactions & Aurum & $60 monocles, announcing their new Eve-O social media experience, and announcing that they’d begin charging Pyfa and Evemon devs for CRUST API access.
What the playerbase was demanding at the time of the CSM and CCP – and this was before Tidi – was re-balancing of ships (battlecruisers – even without the “new” large-weapon battlecrusers like Talos & family – were able to dominate most other size subcap ship classes), rebalancing of modules (tiericide hadn’t hit yet), in particular rail systems were pretty derided as objectively underpowered outside very specific fleet comps due to the sig radius (remember that stat?) of rails (conversely medium autocannons were by comparison very OP), ability to have nullsec fights that wouldn’t crash servers (drake blobbing was the meta, and every time two drake blobs met, as soon as they launched missiles and 2x’d the number of entities the server had to track, the server would die), and that’s just the list still off the top of my head. Sure, a subset of these might be “carebear” concerns, but the Summer of Rage came about because everyone was pretty universally pissed, especially since Pyfa was going away and the in-game fitting window was nothing like it is today (you had to actually load an already-purchased module, then right click → show info → attributes to see your ship stats, but even that didn’t include things like links nor peak shield HP regen).
And what CCP was announcing and pursuing at the time did not overlap at all with any of those player demands.
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True, you could see if a module was T2 at a glance.
Why did they remove that?
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I think why People leave in a tantrum is simple, For the New people that play for a while and leave, no matter how good the new player experience is, eve is a merciless game, they are told high sec is safe (its NOT, Just a lie to get players in to the game), when you are lied to by the devs of a game you are not going to be a happy chappie, and you certainly don’t want to pay for the privilege . As for the older players leaving in a tantrum, I think its more like a bad divorce, you spend all your time , energy and money on something you love, You hope that all the promises made are going to be honoured, And basically there not, you just think all that effort wasted on a complete lie. Im still delusional myself i figure one day eve may have WIS, with all that was promised with it, but i probably will be playing another Space MMO by then.
Just a caveat in over 3 hours of this post nobody replies to state there view on matters. there is your answer to whether eve is in a good place or not, 8 years ago there would have been 50 or more replies, of people who were concerned with the state of the game, but now the basic conclusion is why bother CCP don’t listen and don’t give a damn.
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No they arent.
Nope, the boring losers have spoken, no nice things for anyone.
You seem to think your post is either interesting enough to be replied to by people other than the terminally bored, or are admitting to baiting for trolls.
Ta da.
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But… but,…you replied to him. 
I’m not saying I agree with what you said about people/yourself who reply, but at least the forums can cause a chuckle or two.
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I believe most people who leave, simply (and quietly) stop logging in. They are doing something else.
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Someone else stole it, but I’m stealing it too! Nice turn of phrase there!
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CCP also buried the link to the forums at the bottom of a long, long, homepage. I don’t know that we have a whole lot of new participants in the forums, as they’ve obscured the door to the forums as much as they could without removing the link entirely. That is an indicator of how player engagement isn’t valued as much as in days gone by.
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I made an “I’m leaving” post some time ago, during the Incarna-Summer of Rage, but part of the reason was that CCP had introduced code that was massively working video cards while not providing any benefit as far as players could tell. I posted that part of the reason, as CCP didn’t seem to be acting on the litany of complaints about the issue.
Sometimes the “I’m leaving” is also a way of saying “vocally voting with my subscription wallet”. In my case, I followed though, registering my vote with my feet. They did finally change that code, even while all of the rest of the turmoil was going on.
I suppose burning out video cards was finally seen to be a poor way of retaining EVE players.
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And for good reason because a (way too) large portion of these forums are just filled with spergs who just can’t stop creating or adding on to drama while, so very often, they don’t even play anymore.
No new player should visit these forums.
Because there is no “Complaint Dept.”.
It would be unreasonable pricey to have it. By “unreasonable” I mean, way over budget, not pricey.
Instead, well… the forum. Where there is seldom input from paid individuals and plenty of free --dom of-- expression.
I think, given the usual content of the forum, I have to agree on burying the link.
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But I wasn’t giving an excuse. It was a critique that pretty much agrees 100% with what you just replied.
Joke aside and all… seriously: Help me if that post was not clear. I will correct it if necessary. Let me know and I will.
In other words, what I tried to say is that there is nowhere else to voice from an unsatisfied customer, the owners or whoever is in charge, never considered even budgeting for such thing --therefore unreasonable–. And that there is hardly anyone with a salary related to the forum, posting.
The moderators… IDK. I think they act when there is a red light somewhere, perhaps even produced by what I call we-the-people, or those who really care about the game, it’s issues, are constructive and truly want to do something when we see a crapscade coming.
So, let me know. I really want to clarify.
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Sorry Xucca ,I read your post a few times and could not get the meaning of it, it just seemed a bit vague, but this reply was spot on.
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