Idiot Player Please Ignore

(1RON BANK) #243

Yes I got banned which is why I am still here… :thinking:

(Pier Rin) #244

so at some point you were not banned for RMT in regards to the casino’s?

(Brisc Rubal) #245

A former player is still a former player. I do not have unlimited bandwidth to spend time listening and representing the views of people who are not actively playing.

CCP’s job is to get people to play the game. My job is to represent those players to CCP when they get here. It’s just outside my scope to try to represent people who don’t have at least some kind of minimal skin in the game. If you’re just here to complain on the forums, I’m going to listen to complaints from existing players first.

(Brisc Rubal) #246

When you say “I don’t even play this game anymore” or “I quit playing this game,” I’m going to immediately tune you out.

(1RON BANK) #247

Was it? Are you sure that was why I got banned? Is there a reason I was not perma banned like the rest was?

Do I need to explain it to you?

Have you just made up your own mind on why I was banned because it was related to IWISK / Casino’s ?

But sure whatever your pretty little head wants to think :slight_smile: :+1:

(1RON BANK) #248

Oh ok cool and thanks for clarifying. So you consider anyone who has left a total loss or states they are done. So you represent literally the smallest % of eve players… Cmon you know how delicate snowflakes Eve players are, always crying they are quitting… :rofl:

(Shai 'Hulud) #249

This is becoming a classic example of a politician making an overly broad, far-reaching statement (without fully considering the implications)… then digging a bigger and bigger hole for himself trying to defend said statement in all cases.

@Brisc_Rubal it’s not too late to modify your statement and declare you now consider the views of everyone who has played EVE to be relevant. Just think about it. You can still ignore “I quit” rants…

(Brisc Rubal) #250

Folks threaten to quit all the time. Actually quitting and still shitting up the forums is also common. It gets tiresome to see so much negativity, especially from folks who aren’t actively playing and just seem to enjoy griping.

(Brisc Rubal) #251

I meant what I said. If you aren’t playing the game, leave the the complaining to the folks who are actually playing.

(1RON BANK) #252

Folks threaten to quit all the time. Actually quitting and still shitting up the forums is also common. It gets tiresome to see so much negativity, especially from folks who aren’t actively playing and just seem to enjoy griping.

I do not disagree, but CCP kinda did that to the forums with Alpha being able to “contribute”. Normally all that crp was left on Reddit.

I guess it allows players to remain with a hand in eve without committing forever winning eve…

I meant what I said. If you aren’t playing the game, leave the the complaining to the folks who are actually playing.

Please change your thinking on the above. With players leaving this game (less than 2008 active subscribed numbers), perhaps dismissing their voices is sending a really negative message when representing “the people” as a CSM member.

If folk leave because game mechanics are broken too much and it has ruined their fun and is a common complaint, surely you should be embracing these people to voice and lobby change? I mean is this not what you signed up for or are you really saying that if you are gone, “then go and stop whining about it.” ???

@Brisc_Rubal - no need to respond or keep this sh1ttin up this thread. But I hope you change your view and if not ce la vie :slight_smile:

(Drago Shouna) #253

You still haven’t answered.

What defines playing?

Logging in and actually undocking, killing a roid, running a mission? Being subbed, logging on a couple of times a week?

Give us your definition of actually playing, because you’ll find there are plenty of players who log on to just have a chat with corp mates while ship spinning, and, like me, have dropped to Alpha. Are they playing or wasting your time?

(Brisc Rubal) #254

Stop lawyering.

It’s obvious what playing means.

(Bjorn Tyrson) #255

simple litmus test, if someone asked you “Do you play eve” would you answer “yes” if so, you are a player. if you answer “I used to” or “I recently left” or “ehhh, not really logging in anymore” or any variation of those. then you aint a player.

quote fail!

(Shai 'Hulud) #256

It’s fundamental in your role as a “representative” that you get to choose which player views to espouse.

Refusing to even consider relevant views, however, is simply a failure of your duty.

Let’s say some player is currently on a break, but comes to the forum and says something. Further, let’s say you 100% agree with this player’s sentiments. Do you ignore them and hope that an active player says the same thing? Do you look them up after reading their comment to make sure you can consider it?

It’s obvious that your logic here is very flawed… so much so that I highly doubt you even live up to your own standard. It’s just a justification for completely ignoring some of your constituents.

(Brisc Rubal) #257

I will type this slowly: if they do not play the game, they are not my constituents.

I could even define my constituents more stringently than I already do, because alpha account holders can’t vote. But I am more than happy to represent a playing alpha member because he’s actively playing the game, even if he can’t vote.

I am tired of reading thread after thread of anger and griping and tin foil hat theories about PA from people who, at some point in the conversation, say “I don’t play this game anymore.”

Why that seems to be a controversial statement with some of you (probably the ones who’ve quit), I don’t know. In America, it’s a common aphorism to say that if you don’t vote you can’t complain. In EVE, as far as I’m concerned, if you don’t play, you can’t complain.

Now can we stop talking about me and go back to doing what Shipwreck Jones asked us to do, which was put reasons why we love EVE in here?

(Ghost O'Mo) #258

I bet were some of the tin hat theorists (I’m wearing my brain wave shielding device as we speak, though I prefer aluminum for its superior conductivity) to present a logical and reasonably usable bit of feedback in the form of a recommendation instead of emotion filled cries of “why!!!”… discussion could ensue.

I have recently concluded, again, that I cannot remain an Eve player. While I understand that departs me from Brisc’s constituency, I did have a reasonable conversation where I expressed the changes that have eliminated my desire to subscribe.

While I would like him to deliver my demands to CCP, he wasn’t elected for my views, but for his own and he actually only is obliged to represent those who elected him by remaining true to the representation of himself from his campaign.

He cannot represent me if he and I fundamentally disagree…

I don’t know whether he will lobby for my changes, but ultimately he is servicing his obligation fully if he agrees to simply read my position… respond or not, agree or not, support or not.

I doubt he agrees with my recommendations for the game, but I didn’t run for CSM so I’ll just have to accept the outcomes of those that did.

You guys… probably in the same boat.

Please post more emotional “shaming” for not thinking like you and, if you have time, demand “why!!!?!” with more emotion.

I feel like overacting in the style of Charleston Heston is it’s own art form and should be serviced more heavily on this forum.

(Xuxe Xu) #259

@Shipwreck_Jones - You shouldn’t have changed your OP and post title.

Rather, you should have added to it. By all means - add a video of similar length as your original talking about the good things about EvE, there are many (game wouldn’t have lasted this long if there weren’t).

but don’t delete

You didn’t let anybody down or complain for it’s own sake. The game is not treated right by it’s players ignoring everything problematic. You merely pointed out some valid concerns that should not be shied away from.

Reactions of any individual to actual facts and/or likely things is not your responsibility, but instead that individual’s.

Present the bad, your concerns with your post, and then the good - but please don’t delete.

(Shipwreck Jones) #260

Dude, I made it private. It was on youtube. I’ve had a lot of people say that they would like to see it restored for various reasons (curiosity, posterity, to inform players, for the lulz, and so on). I’ve decided that I will repupload with a new introduction, and set it to unlisted. I’ll get into it with the new introduction, but I do believe the original video was made out of fear and anger, and that it was causing harm to morale. But at the same time, the decision to take it down may have been an overcorrection. Hopefully, this will set things right, and if not, I don’t care. At this point, I am ready to move on (and hopefully in a positive and constructive direction).
Anyway, I’ll try and get it done tomorrow. I’m taking a break today. Think I’ll give it all a rest, and just play some WarFarm and watch youtube.

(Foggy Bernstein) #261

If they are not in my party, they are not my constituents. Well, if nothing else, you are certainly a true Republican.

This will be hard for you, but try and think like a CSM and consider all EVE players and not just the ones who you perceive agreement with. As said above, your ‘constituents’ are 1% of the EVE base. I’ve been here 13 years and can’t name a single person that fits your definition of those you claim to represent.

You talk a lot. A whole lot. But you don’t say anything.

(Rich Darine) #262

What you think it would be like if they made it so omegas could only post here? Then it’d be for sure your constituents instead of some salty old players who say they don’t play anymore. Under this rule I wouldn’t be able to ask you though since I’m an alpha lol