Then offer a working and balanced solution for it. I don’t see any reason at all, because ganking is simply part of the normal gameplay. Ganking is simply PvP with some additional rules (aka CONCORD spawn). And if a streamer shows content from TQ, the risk of being ganked is just part of it. If he just wants to do an educational stream about mining or abyssals or mission running he can simply stream from the testserver, the content is the same and nobody will interfere.
Last but not least, how should that work for PvP streams? How do you want to prove if someone streamsniped him or just found him with a scout by coincidence? Do you want CCP to employ an army of GMs to evaluate cases or streamers being killed? No, really, if you get blown up, its your fault in almost any case. Mistakes were made, long before the kill.
So what is the difference in someone finding their target via stream sniping, or stumbling upon a streamer without watching the stream?
Just cause someone is a streamer, whether found in game or via stream, EVE gameplay should still occur however either party desires.
Streamers have options to protect themselves. Hide their location, or delay their livestream.
I did.
I didn’t say ganking wasn’t part of normal gameplay. I hate ganking and think it should be removed, and I’m glad that 3 CSM members have recently indicated their support of the removal of ganking, but that’s not the topic here. The topic here is that streaming the game makes you a target because rules against stream sniping are not enforced.
CCP already have an army of GMs that investigate subjective claims and look for patterns in claims and behaviours that indicate wrongdoing. This would be no different. The most egregious cases would be resolved just by enforcing a policy against stream sniping though as most people would avoid doing it. Like how having a policy against bots ensure that most of the community never uses bots.
I’m not sure what you mean by “what is the difference”. One is a deliberate attempts to disrupt a stream the other is not.
Yes, gameplay should occur as normal if you stumble across someone that happens to be streaming. I haven’t suggested that should change.
They don’t have many options. Any delay that actually protects them makes live streaming pointless and CCP haven’t implemented any of the idea that streamers have had to help protect their location. Even if you blur out most of your screen, locations still pop up on in-space objects for example.
And how would you prove that someone stream sniped? In the second CCP would begin to “enforce” such rules on anyone who admits in chat that he stream-sniped, the gankers would simply stop admitting it openly and claiming that they got reports from a random scout or used a locator agent (or will actually use one, as cover) and thats it.
The same way they enforce many other rules where there’s not a definitive indicator that a rule was broken, by looking at patterns over time. Sure, if someone stream snipes once and doesn’t announce it, they’ll get away with it, but if they keep stream sniping that pattern will build up. They already do this for things like RMT and input broadcasting.
So when the ganksquad logs in, run a Locator Agent on the Name of a known streamers character, then flying to that system and seeing he is in Belt I and then ganking him, which rule would it actually break? If its not only him they are ganking but going after random people from their list, it would not even be “harassing” if they would do it repeatedly.
Lol. Wouldn’t need to if you were not so deliberately vague and obtuse and refusing to answer even simple questions. ALL I see is a pretext for yet another anti gank rant. You don’t really give a **** about streamers.
If they were occasionally killing a random streamer then it wouldn’t break any rules. If there was a pattern that showed that they repeatedly stream sniped, action would be taken. Other rules already work like this. How does pretending to not understand this benefit you here?
For those still claiming this is a gank thread, it’s not. Stream sniping occurs outside of highsec too. Exploration streamers are frequent targets of stream sniping for example. The example I gave in the first post was just a recent and widely publicised example.
Streaming EVE should not make you a target for attack, and all the time it does EVE will continue to be underrepresented on streaming services.
Why should someone using third party software to forego the privacy that comes within Eve itself then expect Eve to protect that very privacy and protection from attack that they have waived ? If you want to let the entire world know that you are hauling 40bn worth of implants from Amarr to Jita and are right now in Sivala…why be in the least bit surprised or shocked at the result ?
Incidents like this could increase viewership of EVE streams. I never watched an EVE livestream before this one, but I was very curious to count the number of mistakes this clueless miner made leading up to his preventable ganking.
EDIT: After recently returning after a several-year hiatus I find the level of anti-ganking whinging to be truly embarrassing. I’m saying this as a player who engages in a non-ganking playstyle. It’s almost enough to drive me to apply to a ganking corp.
I agree.
Stream sniping increases viewership.
Nobody wants to watch yet another boring miner marbles abyssal stream.
Usually, the only people watching these streams are the stream snipers, who have a friendly competition to see who can kill the target first.
It is embarrassing. I spent most of yesterday moving easily gankable ships 23 jumps from my original Eve home where they have sat for over a year. I didn’t lose a single ship despite passing through ganker hubs. A few little tricks I’ve learned and I avoided any ganks.
killing is bad, bumping is even worse, judging by the reactions of another streamer 
Why would it increase viewership? It often shuts down streams as it disrupts what they are actually streaming. A few weeks back I was watching an exploration stream and they got followed 3 times in a row to various systems, killed twice and just had to give up because someone was stream sniping and following them around.
I’ll provide another reminder that while gankers have hijacked this thread with their usual trolling, this is not an anti-ganking thread.
Can you post a link to that video?
Because you are not talking about benefits for EVE. You are talking about benefits for the streamer. A streamer streaming for random people who will not play EVE is not a benefit for EVE, and there is no reason to give these people special treatment when it comes to normal, to be expected EVE activities.
A streamer who is beneficial to EVE is someone who involves its community in EVE and makes them play with them, for instance, to thwart gank attempts against the mining ships. Just a few people in support ships, even alpha accounts, can make a huge difference there. If a streamer does that, they are actual, real beneficial elements to EVE because they bring new people into the game, they tell and teach them what to do, they promote actual EVE-like gameplay and interactions, and they could even support sustainable growth of the player base like this.
No. I deliberately didn’t use it as an example because I don’t want to give the forum trolls that streamer as a target. Since they already posted an example on their blog I felt that was a safer example that won’t have the direct opposite effect of what I’m looking for.
Before you ask I’m not going to send it by mail either as I have no idea whose alt you are.
Of course a streamer streaming EVE is a benefit to EVE. That’s why CCP give free subs and free giveaway items to streamers who build up a community and regularly stream EVE, because for CCP it’s a great way to advertise the game and bring in more people who see it and think “I like that”.
I’ve not asked for them to be given special treatment, I’ve called for the fact that they stream to not be permitted as an avenue of attack. If anything I’m calling for parity with non-streaming players.