nope. Yet again you are trying to reset goalposts on ground already covered. It’s one of your favorite tactics.
I believe it won’t be hard to find that what I said was that the opportunity cost was limited to the price of one plex, because then you can do whatever it was you could have done, and also camped, out to infinity until you finally bogged down in the time required to log in each of those accounts and push the cloak button. We only wasted about 1000 posts on it or so.
I know you like to troll and are otherwise mostly useless, but at least try to keep your own arguments straight. You are getting lost in a forest made of your own strawmen.
I see you got an edit in. This is part of what I’m talking about, going over the same old tired ground. You have cherry picked a single post out of context of the rest of the discussion.
Congratulations, yet again. Good Job. You found a point you convinced me on, and are still trying to beat me over the head with an earlier post. It’s not cost free, just limited to a single plex.
Even at that, the point that the costs aren’t really significant stands, as evidenced by Salt’s willingness to throw it away just to be a troll.
Man, you must have the most over active straw farm in the world over there, and being honest must absolutely give you hives.
That’s a rather odd way of saying “Merin understands how PvP works in EVE and how cloaked ships appearing on d-scan would mean that the attack would be revealed before the cloaked ship could possibly get into range”. You, on the other hand, apparently believe that competent players don’t use one of the best intel tools available even when they know they are at risk of attack and will just sit there obliviously refusing to use d-scan while you sneak up on them.
Merin is terrified that not every aspect of the engagement might be in his absolute favor without a mechanically perfect nanny button to ensure his success.
No, you’re just a proven liar. Cloaking is not a guarantee of success, unless the only thing you attempt to do is sit idle in a safespot and force RMT bots to auto-dock because the bot detects a non-blue name in local. Cloaking has a very high risk of failure if you ever attempt to engage a target. For example, you won’t see me complaining that a PvE farmer might open a cyno and bring in a fleet to gank the cloaked ship when it attempts to engage. It just happens to be the case that EVE is full of RMT farmers and renter trash who are only capable of docking the moment a non-blue name appears and would never find the balls required to actually deploy a jump-capable ship in PvP.
So, once again we have to wonder why you so obsessively focus on situations involving RMT bots and ignore the ones where PvP players can defend against and potentially kill a cloaking ship. Perhaps RMT farming is the only part of the game that you have any experience with?
What I mean is that he seems to think their is no cost to his account. I knew he wasn’t all that sharp, but he appears to not even know what PLEX is, or how It pertains to his ability to afk cloak.
Sorry, I’ve been trying to tune out your incessant whining in every thread you post. But what does PLEX have to do with Cloaking?
Anyone can do anything they want with their month of game time. Whether that’s mining in a belt (and hoping CODE doesn’t come along and kill you), or running missions, or gambling your ship in the Abyss, or even floating in space while Cloaked.
If it weren’t for Local telling you he was there, you wouldn’t have a clue. Local is the enemy, wearing away the thin skin you had when you talked yourself into traveling out to Lawless Space. Local is making you piss your pants b/c there’s a Boogeyman out there, and he might try to get you.
Unless he’s (A)way (F)rom his (K)eyboard, in which case he isn’t going to hurt anyone.
Suck it up. Stop trying to play solo. Bring friends, if you’re worried he might Cyno in friends of his own. And play the game, instead of crying on the forums every time you click “Reply”.
Granted, this was a while ago (only recently back to Eve), but I’m not aware of any changes that would have made the outcome of the above engagement any different… maybe afk cloaking needs a buff?
Where did he say that? I don’t see it. Let’s look at his original comment,
Nope, don’t see him saying it is at no cost, just that this thread is raising his subjective value of AFK cloaky camping.
Why are you so upset with how he decides to spend his time in game? What do you care? If he wants to “waste his time” according to your subjective valuation that is really neither here nor there.
Mike believes that the opportunity cost of AFK cloaking is capped at a PLEX. If your character you are camping with could earn say 10 billion ISK, if you PLEX a second account that second account can earn the 10 billion ISK. Never mind the training time. Never mind that after training time you could have two accounts making 10 billion ISK each.
Mike kinda sorta gets opportunity cost.
Indeed what a player does with his time in game is up to his personal subjective valuations. For example I hate missions…so I don’t do them. I actually find invention interesting, but you could despise it. No matter it is all good.
For anyone who believes that Mike sincerely wants to have a chance to force a PvP fight with a cloaked ship rather than a better early warning system to make PvE farming safer, allow me to present this quote:
Right there, in his own words, an admission of zero interest in PvP. So any time he says “force PvP without consent” it’s a lie.
1 people can make isk if they are not cloaky camped. 2 cloaky camp with not you do not know if it is a hot or not so you risk everything they risk nothing 3 doing stuff in fleet camper jumps in all his friends bang your fleet is gone he will only do this knowing his friends have a stronger fleet again no risk .
the rank dishonesty of how Teckos operates is amazing.
He beats everyone over the head about the cost of an account when it suits him, but he is going to pretend like Salt didn’t just prove he does not understand a lick of it. Oh well.
As always, Teckos argument on opportunity cost ignores one vital element of opportunity cost— that the cost must be mutually exclusive with whatever else you would do. For opportunity cost to apply, the choice must be between A or B. If you can do A and B then there is no missed opportunity.
In the case of camping, you could train a given account to do anything you want, and the choice to camp does cost you whatever you could do with that account. However, the opportunity cost is capped at a single PLEX because at that point the choice is no longer mutually exclusive— you can use the account and still keep a camp going. So Teckos argues that now you now have massive opportunity cost on the second account, except at the price point of a PLEX you can do that and keep a camp going. And so on, and so on… The only other real constraint on camping is the time it takes to log in and push the Nanny button.
I’d like to apologize for ruffling your very delicate feathers for posting things you don’t agree with.
As for what PLEX has to do with cloaking, you would have to go back to within a couple hundred posts from the beginning of the thread to see where that part of the ‘discussion’ began. If you can’t be bothered to stay current, I won’t be bothered to consider your opinion worth anything.
No one claimed anyone should be constrained in what they choose to do with their game time. That’s just Teckos acting confused to deflect the discussion away from anything that might resemble progress. I’m guessing he, or his bosses, didn’t like the direction the thread was going in discussing the merits of taking cloaks out of local and putting them back on Dscan and Probes.
Which brings us to your next paragraph, the regurgitation of the decades ago debunked claim that Local has anything to do with Camping. You were there for the universal rejection of the idea that cloaks could be taken out of local and put on Dscan and Probes. Seems that even if the intel on cloaks isn’t perfect or free its still too much for the campers to deal with. The local argument is a smokescreen. Always has been.
Its funny you should tell me to stop trying to play solo. I never do. I don’t even run level 4 missions in high sec on my own because I play with RL friends and family.
TL;DR: you are bad at EVE and terrified of PvP because the other side might bring a stronger fleet. Why do you continue to play this game when you clearly want a PvE game with optional arena-style PvP? You know, like WoW? Why don’t you go play WoW?
Your argument:
Everyone: the issue here is local being too good as an intel tool, not cloaking.
You: WHAT IF WE REMOVE LOCAL BUT MAKE CLOAKS SELF DESTRUCT YOUR SHIP WHEN YOU ACTIVATE THEM.
Everyone: uh, no.
You: SEE ITS ABOUT CLOAKS NOT LOCAL.
The only thing you have demonstrated is that your ideas for removing local and nerfing cloaks are terrible ideas. Local is still the issue even if we reject your terrible ideas for fixing it.
I think you may have to explain yourself a bit better to make me agree with this claim.
Having to watch out for people hunting you is supposed to be a universal element of gameplay outside of a station in EVE. It’s certainly not equivalent to self destructing.
But there you go pissing yourself again at the thought tht you might experience a little risk or danger yourself. That’s just for other people I guess.
