Main AFK cloaky thread

Like I already said:

anyone is free to post in the forums

Also from the same post you quoted.

So your complaint that people aren’t free to post here is still wrong. You post, anyone can post back. If you want to address one person specifically, then send them a message in game.

And…you lost it again. It was not a complaint and we are not free.

You are proof that anyone can. If they couldn’t, you would have been prevented from doing so long ago.

But, no change to AFK cloaking is needed to end it. It’s perfectly fine as is. Only botters and AFK ratters care and neither of them deserve any changes to reduce risk.

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Did this years ago.

Change local/d-scan. Cynos have already been nerfed.

Your idea still provides the ratter with certainty. So it just doesn’t do the job. But removing local and replacing it with another less perfect form of intel is the best solution.

Doubtful.

A lack of local favours smaller fleets. It favours smaller, faster ships. It favours gate travel over cynos. It favours nomadic lifestyles.

There is no situation that a lack of local favours big stationary groups over smaller flexible groups.

Will a wave of people leave? Yeah. Farmers. Bots. People that shouldn’t have been in null in the first place. Null bears are bitching about anything that hurts their income (ESS and Ore DNA) even though everyone has told them a hundred times that their income must be reduced for a healthier game.

CCP should have just bit the bullet and proceeded with blackout.

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This may well be so and you keep repeating yourself. We know your opinion We get it. Other people in thread are interested in exploring other possibilities without you trying kill it in its infancy. Is it not possible for you to deal and work with an idea you have misgivings about so that it might expand and improve into something you do like and agree with? I myself am not attached to my own idea, but I oppose the grief posting just for people having open minds, and it happened though it may be others more, and not your intention.

But, I mean, I can seriously hear what you would be saying in the first discussions about creating this very game. I can hear you saying “The world is fine, and no space themed MMORPG is needed. Just play D and D with your geek friends or some Sci-fi spin off with dice.”

There is seriously no need to crap your pants about this. The odds are better you get hit by lighting than some Dev takes up this cause. Seriously. Explore the ideas and posit what might happen even on the plus side. I promise it will never ever actually happen, so relax.

So generally speaking, do you think a person 10 miles away from his keyboard should have a real-time effect on another person’s VMAK game time? I don’t. I don’t know if you do, because, though you favor making blackout permanent, I don’t you put forth an opinion on that mechanic directly.

So same applies for mining and ratting?

In fact, AFK mining has been nerfed hard, and it has been announced that AFK ratting wil be gone too.

Guess the only next logical move is nerf AFK camping

Because you posted something stupid on a public forum.

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How ignorant can you people possibly be?

Mining produces something, cloaking doesn’t.

Take your head out of your ass.

because it generated an excess amount of ore mined in nullsec

because it generated an excess amount of isk farmed in nullsec

because it generates and excess amount of… salty tears from carebears?

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Obtaining ISK/resources while AFK =/= sitting idle while AFK.

AFK Gameplay = AFK Gameplay

Who speaks, and who cares of, wealth or resource generation? It´s gameplay.

Any gameplay is for some reason, either producing resources, or wealth, or salt, or lowering indexes as a preparation for an invasion. In the end everything is just “having fun” in our videogame.

But if AFK gameplay is bad, then I think its for everyone. Why smoothing the path to a PVP invasion, through AFK gameplay is good and generating ISK through AFK gameplay is bad?

Edit: I think both are bad.

CCP does.

The changes CCP are making to the game target wealth and resource generation.
They’re not targeting “gameplay” as a broad and nebulous term.

You can try to brush it off as “who cares about wealth generation?”, but that’s a bad argument. Because we can just flip it back on you and say “who cares about salty carebear tears?”

That’s nice, dear.
CCP doesn’t care.

CCP is focusing on an area of the game that has gotten out of control, namely, wealth and resource generation. AFK cloaky camping isn’t an area of the game that has gotten out of control.

Sitting idle in space =/= gameplay.

Why smoothing the path to a PVP invasion, through AFK gameplay is good and generating ISK through AFK gameplay is bad?

Because only EVE’s dumbest and most useless renter alliances allow an AFK player to do anything to them, and we don’t need to grant 100% safety to PvE farmers just because certain renters suck at EVE.

One produces something, the other doesn’t.

Maybe at the root you don’t understand the importance of the economy and that is how you can be so desperately wrong.

Being the entirety of the post that right there is an example of posting something dumb on the forum. It contains zero constructivity. Zero. Even the context is indiscernable. Worse than useless.

Except that there has been essentially no “new” ideas in the last 5000+ posts. This thread just keeps going around with the same “solutions” regurgitated every month or so.

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Oh I see you haven’t read the thread, I have posted plenty.

We are sick of repeating ourselves every few months for the latest crop of nuub players that are pixel terrified to undock unless they are alone in the system.

The cloaked ship cannot DO ANYTHING…

EXCEPT scare you :rofl:

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I was not talking about your prior posts. I was talking about a specific useless one. Being on the wrong page you just made yet another useless post.

No one is forcing you to repeat yourself but you. And there is no relation to your unconstructive attack on me and your prior posts anyway. You are working against solving your own complaint, which suggests you actually just love to repeat yourself. Unconstructive attacks make it harder to find anything constructive you said.

And the more people post unconstructively, the more that’s gonna happen. See my above post. You are not helping, or maybe you are helping yoursel but not being honest about it.