Stop trolling. You don’t have to agree on the suggestion, but at least try to stay reasonable. The Brutix excels in Structure tank, but is roughly on the same power level as other T1 battlecruisers. The Gila is simply a whole class above all other pirate and faction navy cruisers.
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How rich.
The game gets diluted and eroded because trolling wet wipes are more vocal than everyone else so they get their way purely due to having no lives, no jobs and therefore unlimited time to nudge and nag at the devs.
How about play the ball as it sits and stop dickin around with nerfs?
Yes. No other t1/pirate cruiser can achieve these values no matter how bling you make it.
Is it surprising that a pirate cruiser of a faction specialized in shield resistances can have high shield EHP values?
That’s like being surprised Sansha ships can go fast with afterburners, that Blood Raiders have much longer web ranges than usual or that Sisters of EVE ships can have big armor tanks.
Yes, it just so happens not only passive shield is great for PvE but also that all of the Gurista’s role bonuses (drone damage, missile damage and shield resistances) make for a fantastic combination for PvE, which is why the Gurista’s ships are pretty popular for PvE.
Other ships are good at other things. We don’t need all ships to be the same.
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No Gerard. It is surprising that ONE pirate cruiser can reach higher eHP values than even T2 HACs or T3Cs. For half the price. And still deal more damage over a better range. At better Speeds.
Even more surprising is the fact, that there are still people thinking they need to defend that situation out of a vague feeling that says ‘nerfs bad… nerfs bad… nerfs bad…’.
Stawman. If you can find anyone asking for that, please link it. Else stop claiming that this would be an issue in the discussion. Please.
I have outlined a PvP ready fit for the Gila, with extraordinary values. Feel free to come up with any Pirate- or Navy- or T2 or T3 Cruiser fit that can exceed these while costing a dirt cheap below 500M like the Gila does. Go on, it’s not a mockery, I am seriously interested to know if anyone can.
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Or you could just not and the Gila would still be great at what it does. HAC’s and T3C will still be great at what they do. If you arent going to dethrone the Gila completely then all you’re doing is making a great ship slightly less great because its great, and that is huge dumb
I dare to disagree here. It would strengthen the competition, make other ships a now more interesting alternative and T2/T3s a real noticable upgrade. Better game in my opinion. A competition with a clear winnner that no one dares to touch is a worse game in my opinion.
I’m not against nerfs.
I’d even be in favour of a nerf of the Gila, given it’s incredible performance in PvE.
I just think it’s bad to look at a ship specialized for shield resistances and complain that it has too much shield ‘because it has more than other ships’.
Tone it down, sure, but this ship is meant to have more tank than other ships without such bonuses.
Well, I don’t think anyone seriously did that. It’s not the tank alone, it’s the fact that it can have the by far best tank AND huge damage AND great application AND good range AND nice speeds AND dirtcheap costs all at the sime time, while most other competitors only excel in one trait really well and are average on most others.
For a cheap ship with best tank, huge damage, great application, good range and nice speeds I encounter it surprisingly little in PvP.
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“But you used two expensive faction modules to reach those values!”
“But the ship has innate resistances!”
So what? Show me other cruiser that can reach these values. Why wasn’t it posted yet by anyone?
The innate resistances together with the recent resistance buff made Gila even more extreme than it already was.
- It uses missiles and drones so it is not cap hungry.
- Since it uses missiles it has far greater range than other cruisers and better application as well.
- 500% buff to drone damage. Is there any other ship with this kind of bonus value? Anyway it makes the medium drones outperform heavies while hitting easier smaller targets. Despite it can only have two.
- 250%ˇbuff to drone EHP. Makes the drones incrediably tanky and prevents the “defang” strategy of fighting it.
- Absurdly large drone bay - can have 8 additional flights of drones, so even if you manage to actually damage its drones the Gila pilot can easily recall, throw at you another two and do that over and over as their shields will recharge while in drone bay.
It is not invulnerable, but it has edge over any other cruiser in basically every statistics.
That huge drone bonus is unique to Guristas ships, just like the huge drone bandwidth nerf that accompanies it.
Where the Gila has 500% drone damage, it’s only able to use two medium drones, where for example a T1 drone boat like a Vexor can use three heavies. Two medium drones have the same base damage as one heavy, so if the Gila is going to deal any damage as drone boat with only two medium drones it’s going to need a heavy drone damage bonus to make up for the loss of bandwidth.
That low bandwidth high damage per drone is what makes Gurista ships unique.
Stop crying?
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You are the one crying here darling…
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Thats true for all Pirate Cruisers, the only ones you see to a degree are speedy one-trick ponies, usually blinged a lot to boost this single trait to the max in order to pick many engagements and still run if the odds stack against them. Namely Orthrus or Phantasm in solo or very smallgang engagements. Or a lonely Ashimmu/Vigilant in a Gatecamp, again using only the one trait and not caring for all the other stats.
In fact, the only Pirate Cruiser I have seen in larger fleets used very successfully are… Gilas.
Which comes back to the point: If the Gila would be toned down a bit, you’d have a better balance in the PvE department, while not noticably affect the PvP environment. And again: NOBODY is asking to cripple the ship to a degree that it would become unusable. The complete allergy to the word ‘nerf’ really shocks me to a degree, it’s like people get triggered and completely lose their ability to just look at simple facts.
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I think they must to know about unbalanced ships, but entire game going to the forgotten trash of society and maybe it doesn’t matter anymore, we won’t be here soon.
I dont think its quite so simple. Toning the Gila down a just a bit and it will still be the best ship available for some content. Tone it down to a point where it isnt and you will be ruining a good thing for stupid reasons.
Or you just dont touch it and everybody wins. The main concern is PvE so who really cares? Going back to the original post, you think nerfing the Gila will stop people from stealing your sites?
The only problem is CCP never nerfs a “bit”. It’s usually with an unbalanced hammer.
Players will always adapt, and we will always see the next op ship be abused as well. When will that stop?
Nerf the Gila all you want, it won’t solve the problem (if there’s even one) as the replacement op ship will just roll down the line…