OP,
Griefing via PvP is not possible in EVE because you consent to 24/7/365/everyone/everywhere PvP when you undock.
Thatâs what is so great about this idea, it will force griefers to get good as well. Because they will actually have to work with an active vs passive opponent. âGet Goodâ great idea.
Again, thats what is so great to the idea. They do not agree just to be shot at, but, to shoot back. Bumping is not a shooting game. Additionally, the stakes are raised when a Kalorned alt brings out their war target and blaps them. This just makes it a little more fair even if the miner canât fight back, they can at least point the opponent until help arrives. Its a free for all at that point. Other wise it is simply one sided and safe for the griefer. We are looking to make it not so safe for the griefer. Bots, on the other hand will either warp or take their punishment.
I do however, notice a trend and that is nearly everyone that has commented, looking at the kill boards are griefers and feel that it would be unfair to them. Sorry guys you all canât play a safe game as you all have pointed out.
Bumping is PvP.
Mining is PvP.
Itâs a sandbox.
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I will only comment on this to agree that the unintended consequences here would be really ugly. That said,
That made me giggle for a good solid 5 minutes. Well done, sir 
Ok, so here is what will happen:
He will bump you until you declare a restraining order, continue until it goes live after 24h. Then he will simply use an alt to bump you and if you and use the previous account to pray on the now legal targets when they not expect it.
Additionally he will have other alts which put restraining orders on your NPC alt Orcas and haulers.
If you think changing the mechanics means everyone will behave the same way then you are wrong.
This will completely kill every Orca and Freighter piloting in all of Highsec.
If you now think I should help you ârefineâ your new mechanic, why should I do that. It seams completely fine to me 
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The clear option is to learn how to bump and join Kalorned. That is probably what he desires tbh.
I can teach you how to bump if you like. Iâm very good at it. I wonât yell at you much.
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Thanks for the offer, Kalorned has been teaching me. What to do and what not to do. How, to overcome bumper techniques and his Orthros gets nerfed this month. But, I am not looking to prevent it. As was brought up some very good points about alts and abuse and that will probably be addressed by CCP at some point.
Better yet, and the easiest way is for CCP to allow a suspect flag on bumps above speed XXX then this allows the player base to take action, as it is now most trolls and gankers have zero problems being as they are in game, but CCP allows these people to get away with it because of income and some magical belief that they alone add to the game when in fact they do so little but wreck a few ships and pee on people getting jollies out of it, people like to say these are nice folks in real life, no their not, a few times, ok, all the time, this is who they are, mental heads.
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Completely agree, but, if you try to rationalize with them they canât see it in themselves. Usually very self absorbed. As for the suspect timer in bumping, this has been brought up many times with CCP and never addressed. I think this would be a great mechanic, but, so far it has been met with no response. But, I think we should keep trying. I was trying to approach it from a different view. If you canât accomplish something one way, approach it from a different angle. Bumpers understand this very well. They tell us to adapt, and when we do. They try to bully us from a different angle. Extortion and Bullying is lost on me.
That is the problem, they cannot see the madness because of the madness, Iâve come to the point in life that I just understand and most mental health care workers can understand that rational expectations from someone bipolar or suffering from a mania cannot be sought, funny thing is if you medicate their mania they become depressed or even violent, but what can you do, so difficult.
Yes exactly. I tell people closest to me to rationalize their irrational thoughts. Because, in all reality, their irrational thoughts are just that. So if they think through what is real and what is irrational they can usually find their way back to that even playing field. However, many people stop to think that what they do, impacts and hurts others. Additionally, they never stop to think that if the table were turned how would they feel. However, EVE is not a nice game. Although, there are some that just squeeze every bit of mal-intent they can out of the game. That often says a lot about how they are as a human being. They just need to stop and think if they are taking something too far. Then there would be no need to invent new ways to thwart the threat. In the old days we just went in back of the school and settled it. But, they like to hit people in the back of the head and then dock up.
Ima Wreckyou
Hello Op
Did you try to negotiate and acquire mining permits to legalize your mining operations in our territory? Maybe that will stop the bumps.
There is no such thing as âYourâ territory in High Sec as there are no mechanics that allow you to lay claim to High Sec space. Therefore your mining permits are just as baseless as your wanton ability to believe that you can own High Sector territory with any game mechanic.
Comments such as Ima Wreckyou maintain a consistency that is also present in comments made PL members who ask to join a war op against PL as if the person wonât check in-game to see who they belong too.
The problem with adding a suspect timer with bumping is that it effects more than just having your mining barge bumped in an asteroid belt. There are legitamate uses for bumping outside the realm of what you consider being âgriefedâ. While you find merit it the idea, I attribute that to the fact that you probably havenât experienced parts of gameplay where you find tactical advantage in using it.
Hereâs an example: Youâre in a Stratios stalking a target. Youâre cloaked up. You get a good warpin on him and start to approach him while still cloaked. You know that once you drop cloak that you have a recalibration timer where your ship canât lock anything, giving any target that is able to, time to warp off. So you Combat this by decloaking and activating your prop mod for a bump so that he canât align⌠giving you time to wait out your recalibration timer and allowing you to properly tackle him.
There is real skill and use in many forms of bumping. So no, this really is another example of a short-sighted bad idea.
Sovereignty is only one measure of ownership.
Go tell Shadow Cartel that they donât own Aeschee.
Go tell Eve-Uni that they donât own the PC9-AY constellation.
Go tell wormhole owners that they donât own the space they control.
Thereâs lots of ownership in the game that is not based on mechanics. Itâs basec on the power that Corporations and Alliances yield.
As a non-HS player, there is certainly a lot of whinging about CODE. and their influence. They seem pretty powerful in highsec, just like many other groups are in their space. Seems like ownership just the same.
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Exactly, their intentions are to attack, a suspect timer means nothing because you are going to go criminal anyway by attacking, so this âshouldnât go suspectâ is irrelevant, most people bumping arenât doing this out of love.
No one said anything about not owning the systems that you mentioned because none of those systems are High Sector systems.
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The suspect timer must mean something, otherwise CODE would be blobbing in Low Sec, now wouldnât they?
So what if they arenât in highsec.
Your claim that ownership isnât possible because there are no mechanics that allow the claiming of highsec, is paralleled by no mechanics to own wormholes, no mechanics to own lowsec and no mechanics to own NPC null.
Just like W space can be owned, lowsec can be owned and NPC nullsec can be owned through influence, highsec can be too.
Itâs no more special a snowflake. Just the same and every area of space can be owned through influence.
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