Okay, so, NOW, EVE is real? (That one sounds familiar, too.)
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I guess, kinda, depending on how you look at itā¦
ā¦but not really, no.
The point of roleplay is to relinquish some of our self-control, just for a little while. But in such an immersive game as EVE is, should it be any surprise that someone who plays a space Stalin might sometimes have a little trouble separating his online persona from who he is deep down? Or, isnāt it even possible that there is a certain truth in: " . . . the much more unsettling opposite idea of the domination of my screen persona over my ārealā self. Our social identity, the person we assume to be in our social intercourse, is already a āmaskā that involves the repression of our inadmissible impulses. But it is precisely in the conditions of ājust playingā - when the rules regulating our āreal lifeā exchanges are temporarily suspended - that we can permit ourselves to display these repressed attitudes. Take the proverbial impotent shy person who, while participating in a cyberspace interactive game, adopts the identity of an irresistible seducer or sadistic murderer. It is all too simple to say that this identity is just an imaginary escape from real-life impotence. The point is rather that, since he knows that the cyberspace interactive game is ājust a game,ā he can āshow his true selfā and do things he would never have done in real-life interactions. In the guise of a fiction, the truth about himself is articulated. The fact that I perceive my virtual self-image as mere play thus allows me to suspend the usual hindrances which prevent me from realising my ādark halfā in real life. My electronic id is given wing."
Perhaps it is not that GigX was not lacking self-control, but was acclimated to having TOO MUCH control over who he was, and his inadmissible impulses temporarily intruded into the life of an otherwise, outwardly mild-mannered, happy-go-lucky individual? Isnāt that a danger we, as adults, should acknowledge the possibility of?
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Do you have a point now, or are you just posting philosophical drivel?
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He copied this from here:
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Sure weāre all role playing to some extent. The fact is that our role playing or self immersiveness has rules and boundaries.
Iām not saying that I donāt understand emotions like frustration and rage. What Iām saying is that he should have found a better avenue to express these feelings.
I didnt copy and paste that from anywhere either. That came from the heart, man.
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and this is a game that you get to be an asshole if you do not like it do not play it is literally how its supposed to be played. Go play wow or another you just spawn at some shitty graveyard and never lose anything game if you have such a problem with it.
I do not go to a puppy place I volunteer at the local stripper joint giving out herpes tests to all the dumb guys. Gosh you know people need help to sometimes what an asshole you are assuming I only want to help puppies. I mean they are cute and adorable but when your main food source is dog you donāt get to attached.
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The guy above has a totalitarian mindset. the article he copied, is absolutely horrible.
my post is on topic. he copies from an article, which i am addressing. to do this properly, i have no other options than addressing him as well. the article is horrible and i would reject anyone irl if i ever came across a person who would agree with it, because such people are dangerous. i ā ā ā ā ā ā ā kid you not.
imagine these endless conversations irl. would you really believe it would be a peaceful discussion? you hopefully wouldnāt.
A decade or so ago, there was an outstanding British commercial for a beer. Its first part staged the well-known fairy-tale story: a girl walks along a stream, happens across a frog, kisses it, and the ugly frog is miraculously transformed into a beautiful young man. The young man then casts a covetous glance at the girl, kisses her and she turns into a bottle of beer. The girl fantasises about the frog who is really a young man, the man about the girl who is really a bottle of beer.
For the woman, her love can turn a frog into a beautiful man, while for the man love reduces the woman to what psychoanalysis calls a āpartial objectā, that in you which makes me desire you.
iāll break this down.
For the woman, her love
Implying that the woman kissed the frog out of love, which is wrong, because she didnāt love the frog. Counter argument: āNo, yellow! she kissed him, because she is seeking loveā, which makes it worse. It implies - at least - that the woman is desperate enough to kiss a frog, further implying that thereās no good man (a prince, like in fairy tales. a righteous man, who governs and protects) out there and it implies - at least - that the woman is lonely and sad. Basically: it turns the woman into a victim, and the reader (people like the guy above and many on the forums you can instantly recognize as such) sees himself as the prince.
into a beautiful man
This is being completely ignored and wiped under a rug. The woman is looking for a good looking man, not for a man that makes her happy. His looks are explicitely mentioned as what she seeks, which implies that either the woman is shallow and superficial, or that it is the norm which is shallow and superficial. As the woman is a victim, the latter is the fitting option, also fitting well into modern, materialistic times.
while for the man love reduces the woman to what psychoanalysis calls a āpartial objectā,
The plot twist. Suddenly the author reframed his whole post into something scientifically accurate. suddenly, every single thing written before this point will be projected into men. the minds who read this, are minds looking for an echo chamber. theyāre gullible, they donāt think rationally, and as long as they hear (or read) what they want to read, they will believe it.
The man is set up as the bad guy. He reduces the love (see above) of the woman to an āobject of desireā. It is being completely ignored, that the woman actually did the same thing. Her āobject of desireā is a man who protects her, is there for her, etc.
This article is full of ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā . it is written to directly feed the desire for echo chambers in minds who see victims everywhere, because they themselves are victims one way or another.
I could go onā¦ but i doubt you, or anyone rational, really cares. i wished i could make you people understand that you are not fighting a personās viewpoint on things, but actually fighting his completely divferent, and broken, way of thinking. i wished i could make you understand that this forum, and the game, is a victim of clashes of ideologies.
To them, itās never about the topic. Never about the game. Never about points in a discussion. Never. To them, itās about feelings and the feelings āyouā cause. As long as āthe worldā causes them feelings they donāt want, they will try to change it by any means necessary. they do not hesitate to lie, use fallacies, deflect, make it about something different or a person, nothing. They donāt do this intentionally. They do it, because thatās how they work.
Only some do it intentionally and then possibly struggle, having to weasel themselves out of a situation theyāve talked themselves into. Iāve successfully baited one guy, on this forum, into such situation and bookmarked a different occasion, where he did it in an even more obvious manner. Iāve also, so far, found one of them to be using alts to support his āargumentsā.
The above guy, btw, is someone who did this in the last forums as well, under a different name. hel too, already used different chars and made mistakes, which exposed him. i remember it, still couldnāt find the post, though. i will keep looking.
I donāt even know why i keep tryingā¦ but rest assured that there is literally nothing you can do, or say, to get the message across. it is of no interest for him whatsoever. You are wrong by default, because in your world there is self responsibility and not everyone is a victim.
thatās the killer. as long as you fight his words, he will always win. the problem is that these people undermine the very foundations of discussions, and free speech itself. you turn into their tool, because you legitimize their behaviour, and at the same time destroy all actual discussion, and threads turn into pointless back-and-forth between two or three people. the rest just leaves pissed, or in disgust.
there is no social, or cultural progress happening.
you tolerate them, but they only pretend to tolerate you. evidence of this, again, is visible on the forums. while you want to talk, they just want to get rid of you. i kid you notl and i donāt exaggerate in the slightest.
and now i go back to lurking. the forums have cancer again, and itās thanks to these people. i refuse to participate in what legitimizes their horrible behaviour. i hope you find this post interesting to read and will think about it, instead of jumping to reactions quickly.
good fight, good night. o7
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In short heās one of the many words I would enjoy to classify him as, but wonāt because I do t want to get a forum ban.
The best I can do is to tell Mr. / Mrs. / Ms. Morgan to kindly find another game to play. If you donāt like the nature of what makes Eve Online a great game, then find another game / community to play with. If you can find that game, then I suggest some deep reflection in a quiet corner.
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So we should simply let him have his soap box and not respond at all? Let his voice an those like him have the only voice on the forums?
Fortunately that is not up to them, who stays and who goes. And if the day ever comes where I am no longer welcome because my view points are not longer suitable to CCP, that is fine as Iāll also cease playing the game.
Right now, I see these guys as oddballs who have, as you note, a very different ideology when it comes to the game. They do not see it the same way I do. I get that. I also get that they probably wonāt change their way of thinking on this either. Changing the way one thinks about something is very hard. We humans are very, very good at insulating ourselves from data, information and knowledge that does not conform to existing belief structure.
But Iām not sure I want these bozos to have an uncontested voice on these forums.
Eve is a sandbox game, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law (provided it does not violate the EULA or TOS)ā¦which Gigx did so he was booted. Iām fine with it.
Tldr Wall of text. circle jerk.
^ It sounds like what this guy is saying is that EVE Online is not just a game; I agree.
It actually is just a game. I will give you that itās a very involved game. Lots of hard work can go into it compared to other games.
It is still just a game. Gigx killed his alliance. His ban is deserved. CO2 evaccing losing Titans and Soups - lol.
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so typical, trying to twist this. it is a game. the problem is that for people like you, it is not. for people like you itās real, and you canāt help but believing itās real, because you donāt understand that itās not. So people who understand that itās just a ā ā ā ā ā ā ā game will endlessly keep arguing with people like you, who should seek help instead of turning forums into cancer.
No, iām not saying that. i say we should stop legitimizing their behaviour as if it was acceptable and normal, and instead should, together, do a hard push at CCP to get rid of them. They provide a metric 
ton of actual evidence that they are a cancer we should just cut out, so we can have actual cultural progress.
I lost the plot a bit.
Whom are you referring to?
āthemā
hmmmā¦
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People who put feelings over rationality, and constantly declare themselves and others as victims by default, which turns everyone else into evil people (in real life), because the canāt comprehend that a game is a game. Examples are easily found in afk cloaking threads, as one example. āhe prevents me from undockingā (actual quote) is one of the shining examples i had to deal with, where theperson actually believes that the evil afk cloaker prevents him from pressing the undock button, because heāll die instantly.
just look out for those who put themselves into the position of a victim, and for those who generalize everyone else into the position of victims. youāll find them. theyāre in afk cloaking threads, bumping threads, theyāre in co2 threads, theyāre in suicide ganking threads. they ignore advise, statistics, rational arguments, the need for self responsibility.
they use the new player fallacy, claim the game will die if thereās not more safety, constantly blow everthing they hate out of proportions and they do not ever stop, because for them itās personal. they do not understand that this is a game, because they feel that what is happening is wrong, and they lack the ability to rationally comprehend that itās not, turning everything that happens in here into real life, as if thatās a completely normal thing to do!
itās not! the sole reason, why the forums turn into cancer, is because of them!
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RABLERABLERABLE!
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honestly, i wished you were seriousā¦ but i understand that i am just getting ridiculed.
yeah, sure, whatever. of course you know better, you definitely put the same time and effort into researching this and iām just a nutjob seeing things, right? 
right.
vOv
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