The first highsec system flipped!

lots of people here appear to believe that capital ships in low sec is a HUGE thing , and IT IS NOT, rly , you see some dreads in the most important fights , some idiot from null light a cyno to bring a carrier to do i don’t know what , but in day to day you don’t see capital ships in low and they have 0 importance , if you guys want to talk about capital proliferation in null and capital umbrella etc , go ahead , but stop talking about capital ships in low because , its crazy talk

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btw some smart ass other day said , if a null sec entity wants to destroy X structure in low they just go and bla bla bla , BULL poo to , low has uh ., a militia , and you know what is kinda good to fight a large army ?? surprise … a militia , like in militia tactics … you see null blocks in low goofing around , roaming , using bombers…to do fu$k all , making alliances with the local militia …to do fu&k all, but they have MUCH LESS importance in low than some people here believe , low sec is home of their respective militias and MANY groups of pirates , thats the meta , null sec pilots , wormhole pilots , high sec pilots are all considered content by the militia and the pirates , the real owners of low sec,we terrorize and mock the scaaaaaary wormhole people who dares to day trip in our lands , stop imagining fairy tales just because you think your alliance is so dam important

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I really like lowsec the way it is right now.

A bit like a spaghetti-western setting. You’re all alone in the desert mostly and then you run into a posse, a bounty hunter or a prospector and things get interesting. You don’t want it crowded like Dodge City.

the f are you talking about ? must be caldari low … because amarr is not empty at all
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im tipping that and fighting a dude like i do all the time…

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and so on …

besides new eden is big and there is a place for every one of us

While CCP did not directly change the rules they had a huge impact on the low sec life style with changes they made.

In the old days there was a multitude of pirate corps in pretty much any corner of low sec, but then CCP made changes and added tools to the game that largely impacted the ability to maintain the pirate lifestyle without ever having to shoot npcs. Changes that quite simply removed the incentive or the requirement to go into low sec and as a result the number of higher value targets in low sec gradually decreased.

For a lot of us older pirates this meant, we could no longer maintain our playstyle, but had to switch to other options. Some of us turned towards ganking, some chose the route of wardecs and some joined 0.0 alliances.

(I remember the first time some of us teamed up with PL, back when they kicked BRUCE out of Fountain and you´d see red blinking fleets, full of old low sec Pirates).

One of those changes for example was CCP removing the quality attribute from Agents. Before that there was quite a big difference in terms of income between Q 20 Level 4 agents and the crappy low quality agents that you could work for in high sec. Before the changes I have seen plenty of PvE corps actually living in low Sec in Systems like “Irmalin” which had those Q20 agents available.

->> Less higher value targets for pirates

Jump Freighters and carriers also had a huge impact on the income of low sec pirates. We used to be able to replace our losses by raiding the supply lines of 0.0 alliances, but CCP introduced tools into the game that allowed those alliances to entirely bypass low sec.

The introduction of capital ships itself initially were not even much of a problem as they were too expensive to mass produce them. But as CCP introduced more efficient ships for mining, it became a lot easier to produce them in larger quantities and slowly one of our main income sources dried up.
The introduction of Jump Freighters then was pretty much the last nail in the coffin for old school piracy.

Not all pirate corps even lived from the destruction of ships on the supply routes. Beyond Divinity for example sold travel permits through their territory which was did contribute to their cashflow as a corp.

->> Barely any high value targets were left in low sec after that and it certainly was not enough to keep playing as full time low sec pirate. At some point most action we did get was from fighting other pirate corps, but that was not really good for either side from a financial perspective.

So again, while CCP did not ban piracy from low sec they changed the environment through their changes that our lifestyle was no longer an option.

I am not saying that low sec is dead in general, but outside of FW areas, it´s totally different from what it used to be and a lot of that change was caused indirectly by CCPs actions.

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Sure. CCP made some changes. I could go and cherry pick buffs to low sec to list over the years also.
Ultimately though, it was the players. The pirates won in lowsec, they killed their prey, and the prey left for different pastures, be that high or null.
And nothing CCP can ever change will get EVE back to those (Hollywood style) wild west days. Because the players have changed and moved on from it.

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No we did not just kill off all our prey, they gained the ability to completly bypass us, or removed the incentive for people to try and live in low sec, because the risk was not worth it anymore.

As a result we moved towards high sec and became gankers or wardeccers and others joined 0.0 alliances.

Also name just 1 thing that was actually a buff to the full time pirate lifestyle, I am really curious about that one, because I can not remember a single one.

I agree though that those times will never come back, that lifestyle is simply dead. However saying ccp had nothing to do with it is rather naive.

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Nice shifting goalposts there. We went from anything negatively impacting lowsec in any capacity counting to only direct buffs to full time pirates counting the other way.

And of course CCP changes always have an impact, but ultimately it is players who set the meta and drive the ecosystem and it is players pirates who won the lowsec war. They/you got too good at things like gate camps, and kept putting them right on highsec gates. So of course your targets found other solutions. etc.

Is it was, yes. But trying to recapture the West isn’t ever a thing, we need to look forward with thinking and design.

I have not been shifting the goalpost, I was explaining it from the pirate perspective right from the beginning.

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i think its pretty obvious they arent going to make systems change sec status. its probably just a simple stat nerf like in incursrion system but instead of tank and dps being reduced its the concord response time itself.

Making high sec systems turn to lowsec wont suddenly generate “content”. Players will log in suddenly realise they are sitting in a 0.4 and log off. Content? what content? how is players not playing content? Theres more content having high sec stay as the ship for ship trading that it is now than having players not even play because they choose to be stingy on their pvp participation by avoiding lowsec gameplay altogether.

I cant even begin to imagine the technical problems that could develop from this. maybe concrd enters lowsec, maybe its lowsec with concord maybe it glitches and pushes low sec systems into null secc or raises nullsec systems out of null to low sec status when a nearby invasion ends? With employees still being assigned to things like “give the players 800 isk of junk each day” I dont think that there game is ready for system security state changes

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You haven’t read the strings in the latest hoboleaks properly, then.

The argument ‘people just log off’ is not that dissimilar to the ‘think of the children’ argument and made in a similar vein.

There has always been players that ‘just log off’ in all walks of life. Afk cloaking makes players ‘just log off’. Wardecs. Trig invasions and incursions. Gate camps and blackbirds on a uedama gate. Asteroids already being mined out.

But all of these mechanics lead to and are/were content in themselves. Catering to the lowest denominator makes for a ■■■■ game. It’s gonna be hard to make an experience that’s meaningful if we’re always afraid to ruffle feathers.

Some people logging off from their system turning to lowsec may happen sure (how many? No one knows). But I’m pretty confident this content is not for them. I’m pretty confident that eve will always disappoint such players.

Instead this is (I’m guessing) for players that enjoy agency in their game. That want to impact their environment and vice versa.

At the very least, it’s kinda exciting to see where this goes.

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This is I think the most damaging thing that happens to low sec. How anyone would want to live in a home where every door can be randomly trapped and you need a special set of skills just to come from one room to another safely, without bucket of hot plasma falling on your capsule. Thats why people move to safer places.

Lets face it, in such shape low sec had to become what it is.

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I’m also imagining some prior notice that will lead to an evacuation. But that in itself will be interesting to see. A scramble to get assets out and the gankers that might attract.

Assets can be evacuated after the fact too. Black frog or buddies with insta-undocks and web escorts will be able to get peoples assets out under low sec.

There are options. There always was.

Like you suggest, there will be exceptions. It will not be a free for all on everyone in every system (as much as I’d enjoy witnessing that) and i completely agree the biggest whiners would be nullsec blocs if things got that far.

But dare i hope that CCP are steering things back toward a dystopia. I might even look over the fact that it is mostly driven by NPC’s. It’s definitely more interesting than the recent past.

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you know nothing about low sec , the best sec , stop spreading lies

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Maybe for you it is. Subjective opinion.

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yeah for me it is
full of , fun , pew and

btw this topic should have a Frigate Escape Bay because it is FULL of BS
pople who know s#it about low posting walls of text about low

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I visit low quite often, often enough to know how lifeless it usually is.

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you are full of shi%$ , just click in the zkill regions i posted , against facts there is no arguments , go away troll , besides lifeless is your contribution to the game if this is your only char

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Imagine there are other ways of contributing instead of caring for killboard entries. :face_with_hand_over_mouth: