The Noctis - no longer fit for purpose imo

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I’m a full time Salvager, I salvage mainly pvp wrecks in nullsec. Over my career, I’ve had quite a few Noctis, and with regard to the PVE side of Salvaging, maybe it still has a place, although to be honest, I don’t think so.

It’s big and slow to align, it can’t really fit a great tank, if you want to nullify it you’re losing a slot for a salvager or a tractor beam and if you want to warp stab it, you’re halving your tractor beam range (because the targeting range is halved). When I’m salvaging pvp wrecks, quite often i’m in dangerous situations, there are enemies on grid that want to kill me, i need to be quick, and the further tractor beam reach i have the better. So in short, the noctis isn’t any good for pvp wreck salvaging.

If you’re ratting havens, you drop an MTU, come back and loot it, recover the MTU and if you’re going to salvage, you’re far cheaper slapping 8 salvagers on a destroyer. So why would you buy a noctis? Same goes for if you are crabbing.

At the moment, I fly a Sunesis for salvaging, although again, that isn’t perfect but its the best solution I have for now. With that ship, in order to get your align time below 2 seconds, you can’t fit any salvage tackle in the rigs, which means its far better at looting wrecks than salvaging them and especially T2 salvage is often very valuable.

I’d like to see a dedicated Salvaging ship that isn’t as slow as a London Bus, gets a +2 warp core strength and is nullified like a shuttle (although I appreciate its unlikely ccp would ever do the nullify thing). A ship that has an achievable align time of 2 seconds or less depending on the fit, with decent cargo space similar to Sunesis and receives bonuses to tractor beam range, duration and velocity as well as salvager bonuses.

Ideally, one that can fit a covert ops cloak (again, I know thats very unlikely). CCP could add drawbacks intended to stop it being used for anything other than salvaging, not being able to fit a cyno etc

My suggestion for slots -

[high slots] 7

[mid slots] 3

[low slots] 3

A small cruiser/hauler size ship under the ORE brand, with associated skills. what do people think?

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I tried the Noctis for salvaging and it’s great as salvager.

It’s a lot faster than a salvage destroyer, with significantly bigger hold to loot multiple sites.

And it also isn’t reliant on an MTU as you can easily switch to a few tractor beams and salvage a site even directly after you completed it without having to wait for the MTU to pull it all.

My major problem with the Noctis isn’t with the ship itself, which is a nice salvager.

My main issue with salvaging is that salvaging often feels like a waste of time compared to other activities due to the low value of salvage.

And the looting part doesn’t require any ship as this activity has been automated out of the game due to MTUs.

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tl:dr Bro tries to use a ship in a way it wasn’t intended, and thinks the problem is the ship.

:zany_face:

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ookay…
And I want a ship that has

  • +10 points to all warp disruptor and -scrambler strength
  • no targeting delay after cloaking
  • 500% speed bonus if cloaked
  • decloak invulnerability when moving
  • can warp cloaked
  • 50 AU/s warpspeed
  • 2000 base scan resolution
  • 500% range bonus to all propulsion jamming modules
  • signature of 5 meters
  • 1s aligntime
  • 2000 DPS with 20000 Alpha
  • 100% tracking and range bonus for all guns
  • 1000% duration bonus for Assault Damage Controls
  • 100.000 base eHP

You see anything wrong with that?

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That’s thanks to the Exploration Shub upgrades. They make site salvaging a completely pointless activity.

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The explo sub upgrades didn’t help, but even before that salvage from combat sites was barely worth it.

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That’s true, but the occasional good blue loot would at least make it somewhat worthwhile. Now it’s turning into all trash all the time, and it’s far easier to get your needed salvage for local industry from explo than from noctising around.

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They could salvage materials “reprocessable” for high-value minerals (Megacyce, Zydrine, Noxcium…). Then salvaging would definitely get more attention and payback. On the other hand, mining would pay less. But, since large parts of the minerals are already mined by massmultiboxed superrich exhumer-fleets, I wouldn’t care for that at all. Cheaper minerals = cheaper ships, good for most people.

Well, except miners. :smiling_face_with_horns:

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The difference between my list and yours mate, is that mine is realistic, at least for the most part, perhaps not the nullification bit. But all those bonuses can already be found on other ships, yours is just a big list of mocking me, which frankly, you’ve spent far more time on than I would have. But if trolling is your thing I suppose.

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Realistic?

Realistic?

You call a nullified warp core stabbed covert ship that can warp within 2 seconds, has decent cargohold and positive bonuses on top a realistic demand?

:rofl:

You are aware that you’re asking for a completely over the top near-uncatchable ship with all of those bonuses stacked together?

One of those defences on their own would be a realistic demand. Two is pushing it. Three starts competing with the best specialist haulers, but with a demand of other bonuses on top. Nullified, warp core stabbed, covert and fast aligning all together just takes the realism out of your suggestion. And you demand salvage bonuses and a decently sized cargohold in addition to that still.

The only thing your suggestion is missing is a 500k EHP passive tank and doomsday device.

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Sry bro, your “idea” of a ship is one of the most unrealistic ones we had for a long time at these forums. You want a basically uncatchable ship with all the boni you need to do your business.

The Noctis is an absolutely fine ship for it’s intended purpose, many many people use it every day. And there are many scenarios where it has value over an MTU + a salvage destroyer.

If you want to loot PvP battlefields, how about making sure you have actually won the battle first and then bring some escorts to protect your Noctis from ambushes while cleaning up the loot and salvage?

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The fact I can carry 5 MTU’S, loot and salvage from a L4 Extravaganza mission means the cargo is big enough.

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Another Noctis thread? Is this becoming a trend like the afk cloaking, ganking and other such subjects related threads? :thinking:

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