Everything is OK with Orca and barges.
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The orca thing has been talked about till everyone is blue in the face. Itās fantastic for its intended purpose, but it can do other things reasonably well. If you take the drones away outright it truly becomes an afk booster, much like it was initially. It doesnāt outmine any barge or exhumer by itself, but it has more tank and more storage. I think barges and exhuners need a bit of a buff and orcas need to be left the ā ā ā ā alone.
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You forgot to say that it cost ~2bil now.
I suppose 2bil ship which also require a lot of training time should have something besides being just a boost dummy.
Dont you think?
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Iām doing my part. An Omen works great! And sometimes they leave behind presents for me, like augmented mining drones.
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Iām not suggesting to remove the mining drones from the Orca.
But it doesnāt need all the bonuses to mining drones it has now to be a fantastic mining support ship.
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Darn you guys busted me I donāt get out much, I donāt know the game and Iām for boring gameplay.
There are these thingys called ice belts and moon ore where 4 exhumers and an Orca make more than @Etch_Masuka 's alt. Because I can get my fleet on grid in 10 minutes and can stay there for several hours. While @Etch_Masuka doesnāt start his ISK clock until after heās at the data site and he just blew off scanning down the sigs in three systems. He just starts the clock before he plays connect the dots and says I madeā¦x. (ghads talk about boring gameplayā¦LOL). And if he wants to duplicate that he has to scan down 3 more systems (no AFK while youāre scanning cloaked or weāll nerf you too )
I mine with corp mates in ice and moon belts where we talk on coms plotting which FOBs to take out, scan WHs and plan our attacks, etc. After a couple of hours āworkā and a couple cups of coffee like this weekend I haveā¦
The reprocessing screens estimate is probably high by 100,000,000 isk but it was a slow weekend (I had a 7/4 party at my Earth station). Had I spent two hours in an ice field and another moon mining that would be over a billion isk.
In 4.5 days I reach Mining Director V so my yields will go up substantially before next weekend.
Lastly, I want to get this straight, you all want to nerf the Orca because it has boring gameplay? Well speaking for all the miners in Eve, thatās a very sweet sentiment but weāre going to decline your help at this time.
Then thereās the people who go technical, āitās a command ship so blah blah blahā. So if I see a Paladin in a L2 combat site weāre going to nerf Marauders right?
Iāve read on the forum how simply awful hi sec is, and how wonderful low and null sec are - where itās all real baby. Hi sec is freedom to do what you want without the permission of āpower brokersā who decide where, when and how everybody plays. And thatās where this is going.
Orcaās in hi sec give people freedom to do what they want and they canāt be bullied to do otherwise. The only game Orcas have ruined is the one where hi sec denizens play like theyāre told to play.
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Sure, they would be welcome for the people leeching off the Orca, but why would you ever fly an Orca just to boost other people and get absolutely nothing out of it?
Most will just get permanently docked or sold once the nerf happens.
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This is where CCP went wrong in the 1st place so itās no fault of the players. Just bad thinking on CCPās part.
In itās original form, it couldnāt mine, but CCP caved to the whales/bots/whomever cause bots keep the lights on.
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Maybe just donātā¦ okayā¦ for once ā¦ if bots are the problem ADDRESS THE BOTS!!!
I like that it mines and pairs well with a hulk or 2ā¦ if it doesnāt mine itself ā¦ in a group of 2 or 3 itās a waste
And is a big fat juicy kill mail; if itās not worth being on grid ā¦ then enjoy your procurers from here on out because thatās all you MIGHT get
If boosting and helping other players isnāt your intention while mining, a mining fleet support like an Orca, Porpoise or Rorqual is not a good choice of ship for you. Try a Barge or Exhumer.
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Then praytell how do you deal with the boys without gimping the game making it less friendly for bots?
You mean aside from being a logi ship and a haulerā¦
This bit right here is basically you saying you dont have to make any meaningful choices. And thats the issue.
Not bots.
AFK.
Different thing.
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Iāll never understand AFKāers. They go out of their way to NOT play the game that they are playingā¦
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Both of them donāt play the game. Whatās the difference? (answer: no difference).
To you maybe,
but when it comes to addressing the issues with the orca, the bot report function will not help.
Pretty sure the bot report function is a placebo, anyway. The bots are all over null.
And yes, if you afk mine, you are exhibiting bot-like behavior, and therefore are labeled a bot. Donāt like the label? Donāt act like a bot.
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Youāre just terrible
500+ post closed thread on potential orca changes. All the same back and fourth bullshƬt where nobody agrees about anything. We arenāt going to agree. CCP will do what they want, or not, and weāll have to deal with the aftermath or quit. Period.
I suspect this thread will be closed shortly anyway.
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Iām saying the choices belong to me and Iāve made them. And thereās a movement afoot to reverse my decision(s). Because we canāt have the hi sec care bears running around like they own the place nosireebob. That is todally unacceptable.
Because doing most AFKable, difficult but profitable and necessary activities, āactivelyā, in a game designed in the late 90s and early 2000s, is equal to watching paint dry.
No sane person wants that for their free time, and then get to play actively with the fun parts.
Yet I guess CCP truly believes their game to be so FUN in every aspect, theyād be willing to force you down an watch paint dry, litterally, or pay your way to the fun with real money.