The Orca

[Mr_Raven_101]

Everything is OK with Orca and barges.

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@Mr_Raven_101

Dont you think thak people take orca just because dont want to fly to station every 5-20 minutes and also dont want to be gankes by single alpha pilot catalyst?

Orca have nothing wrong with it’s mining capabilities.
About 1k m3/min both, ore and ice.
~3 hours to fill up cargo if you solo.
Where is OP here?

[Ranar_Linyne]

The orca thing has been talked about till everyone is blue in the face. It’s fantastic for its intended purpose, but it can do other things reasonably well. If you take the drones away outright it truly becomes an afk booster, much like it was initially. It doesn’t outmine any barge or exhumer by itself, but it has more tank and more storage. I think barges and exhuners need a bit of a buff and orcas need to be left the ■■■■ alone.

[Mr_Raven_101]

@Ranar_Linyne

It doesn’t outmine any barge or exhumer by itself, but it has more tank and more storage.

You forgot to say that it cost ~2bil now.
I suppose 2bil ship which also require a lot of training time should have something besides being just a boost dummy.
Dont you think?

[FORCY_FUNTIMES_MEATWATER]

@QuakeGod

There’s a simple solution. Bump every Orca you see. If you come upon an AFK Orca in a belt, grab a Mach or Vagabond and bump it 500km outside of the belt. That player will come back to an empty ore hold…

I’m doing my part. An Omen works great! And sometimes they leave behind presents for me, like augmented mining drones.

[Gerard_Amatin]

I’m not suggesting to remove the mining drones from the Orca.

But it doesn’t need all the bonuses to mining drones it has now to be a fantastic mining support ship.

[Hans_Devin]

Darn you guys busted me I don’t get out much, I don’t know the game and I’m for boring gameplay.

There are these thingys called ice belts and moon ore where 4 exhumers and an Orca make more than @Etch_Masuka 's alt. Because I can get my fleet on grid in 10 minutes and can stay there for several hours. While @Etch_Masuka doesn’t start his ISK clock until after he’s at the data site and he just blew off scanning down the sigs in three systems. He just starts the clock before he plays connect the dots and says I made…x. (ghads talk about boring gameplay…LOL). And if he wants to duplicate that he has to scan down 3 more systems (no AFK while you’re scanning cloaked or we’ll nerf you too )

I mine with corp mates in ice and moon belts where we talk on coms plotting which FOBs to take out, scan WHs and plan our attacks, etc. After a couple of hours “work” and a couple cups of coffee like this weekend I have…

The reprocessing screens estimate is probably high by 100,000,000 isk but it was a slow weekend (I had a 7/4 party at my Earth station). Had I spent two hours in an ice field and another moon mining that would be over a billion isk.

In 4.5 days I reach Mining Director V so my yields will go up substantially before next weekend.

Lastly, I want to get this straight, you all want to nerf the Orca because it has boring gameplay? Well speaking for all the miners in Eve, that’s a very sweet sentiment but we’re going to decline your help at this time.

Then there’s the people who go technical, “it’s a command ship so blah blah blah”. So if I see a Paladin in a L2 combat site we’re going to nerf Marauders right?

I’ve read on the forum how simply awful hi sec is, and how wonderful low and null sec are - where it’s all real baby. Hi sec is freedom to do what you want without the permission of “power brokers” who decide where, when and how everybody plays. And that’s where this is going.

Orca’s in hi sec give people freedom to do what they want and they can’t be bullied to do otherwise. The only game Orcas have ruined is the one where hi sec denizens play like they’re told to play.

[May_Q_Cry]

@Gerard_Amatin

If orcas couldn’t mine at all they would still be very welcome in any mining fleet because of their boosts.

Sure, they would be welcome for the people leeching off the Orca, but why would you ever fly an Orca just to boost other people and get absolutely nothing out of it?

Most will just get permanently docked or sold once the nerf happens.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Arumi_Liz

the people who chose to use the tools as they saw fit.

This is where CCP went wrong in the 1st place so it’s no fault of the players. Just bad thinking on CCP’s part.

@Etch_Masuka

I dont want my Orca solo miner to be less good

In it’s original form, it couldn’t mine, but CCP caved to the whales/bots/whomever cause bots keep the lights on.

[Mady_Auduin]

Maybe just don’t… okay… for once … if bots are the problem ADDRESS THE BOTS!!!

I like that it mines and pairs well with a hulk or 2… if it doesn’t mine itself … in a group of 2 or 3 it’s a waste

And is a big fat juicy kill mail; if it’s not worth being on grid … then enjoy your procurers from here on out because that’s all you MIGHT get

[Gerard_Amatin]

@May_Q_Cry

Sure, they would be welcome for the people leeching off the Orca, but why would you ever fly an Orca just to boost other people and get absolutely nothing out of it?

If boosting and helping other players isn’t your intention while mining, a mining fleet support like an Orca, Porpoise or Rorqual is not a good choice of ship for you. Try a Barge or Exhumer.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

Then praytell how do you deal with the boys without gimping the game making it less friendly for bots?

[Daichi_Yamato]

@Ranar_Linyne

If you take the drones away outright it truly becomes an afk booster, much like it was initially.

You mean aside from being a logi ship and a hauler…

@Hans_Devin

I’ve read on the forum how simply awful hi sec is, and how wonderful low and null sec are - where it’s all real baby. Hi sec is freedom to do what you want without the permission of “power brokers” who decide where, when and how everybody plays. And that’s where this is going.

Orca’s in hi sec give people freedom to do what they want and they can’t be bullied to do otherwise. The only game Orcas have ruined is the one where hi sec denizens play like they’re told to play.

This bit right here is basically you saying you dont have to make any meaningful choices. And thats the issue.

@Mady_Auduin

Maybe just don’t… okay… for once … if bots are the problem ADDRESS THE BOTS!!!

Not bots.

AFK.

Different thing.

[QuakeGod]

I’ll never understand AFK’ers. They go out of their way to NOT play the game that they are playing…

[FORCY_FUNTIMES_MEATWATER]

@Daichi_Yamato

Not bots.

AFK.

Different thing.

Both of them don’t play the game. What’s the difference? (answer: no difference).

[Daichi_Yamato]

To you maybe,

but when it comes to addressing the issues with the orca, the bot report function will not help.

[FORCY_FUNTIMES_MEATWATER]

Pretty sure the bot report function is a placebo, anyway. The bots are all over null.

And yes, if you afk mine, you are exhibiting bot-like behavior, and therefore are labeled a bot. Don’t like the label? Don’t act like a bot.

[Arumi_Liz]

You’re just terrible

[Ranar_Linyne]

Incoming Changes to the Orca

To start, I am not sure what everyone’s problem is with the Orca. It’s yield is lower than a boosted barge, it’s significantly more expensive than an exhumer, and it requires more skills to be effective. The only things it has going for it is the larger tank and the larger hold. The tank only reduces the changes of being ganked and the hold provides longevity in the belt. I don’t completely agree with the idea that it promotes AFK mining. AFK mining typically is done in HS, where you have belt,…

500+ post closed thread on potential orca changes. All the same back and fourth bullshìt where nobody agrees about anything. We aren’t going to agree. CCP will do what they want, or not, and we’ll have to deal with the aftermath or quit. Period.

I suspect this thread will be closed shortly anyway.

[Hans_Devin]

@Daichi_Yamato

This bit right here is basically you saying you dont have to make any meaningful choices. And thats the issue.

I’m saying the choices belong to me and I’ve made them. And there’s a movement afoot to reverse my decision(s). Because we can’t have the hi sec care bears running around like they own the place nosireebob. That is todally unacceptable.

[Verlyn]

@QuakeGod

I’ll never understand AFK’ers. They go out of their way to NOT play the game that they are playing…

Because doing most AFKable, difficult but profitable and necessary activities, “actively”, in a game designed in the late 90s and early 2000s, is equal to watching paint dry.

No sane person wants that for their free time, and then get to play actively with the fun parts.

Yet I guess CCP truly believes their game to be so FUN in every aspect, they’d be willing to force you down an watch paint dry, litterally, or pay your way to the fun with real money.