Can the CSMs please look into this

[ResonanceOfWar]

An Indi player is usually an indi player because they like using their head thou so they will find a way.

Maybe lets find a real newbro indi guy and ask him/her.

Also I wonder what your true motive is since your from goons xD and been playing since 2017

[ZY123]

@Ash_Beldrulf

You just don’t get it. A new player will try to source as much as they can as quickly as they can. If a new player can not source the 4 mineral because they don;t have the isk. It will kill new indy players before they start.

Ah, of course. The issue isn’t that industry is impossible, but that your preconceived notion of industry is impossible. Woe are the rookies who decide that if something cant be the way they want it to be, then it can’t be done period. I wonder how I ever managed to start by literally buying minerals from sell orders and putting up my own sell orders on the stuff I make…

oh wait… I still do

edit: i accidentally a few words

[ResonanceOfWar]

Btw thats extremely easy to undo use solid black trust me

[Terak_Romaller]

@Ash_Beldrulf

If a new player can not source the 4 mineral because they don;t have the isk.

Then they can sell the ore they can quickly, easily and safely mine for that ISK!
We do have to assume a basic, simple level of sense.

If I need food:
Do I take all the time to go and plant crops and grow carrots before digging iron ore and smelting it in a home made smelter to form a pan to cook in? No, I earn money some other way and buy a carrot and a pan to boil them in. I have some money left over from my job that I can have a beer with it too.
Beer and Carrots: Food of the Gods!

You have to rather assume that people don’t hang their brain on a hook before logging into Eve.

@ZY123

oh wait… I still do

I’ve got a spreadsheets like that. Small world.

[ZY123]

@Terak_Romaller

I’ve got a spreadsheets like that. Small world.

Great minds think alike

[ResonanceOfWar]

I think most eve players do xD I made one for almost every activity I’ve done and as soon as I see its rubish move onto the next thing lol.

[Michal_Somebody]

I love the heading of this post. “Can the CSMs please look into this” as if the CSMs cares about anything the rest of the player base has to say. They are all corp CEOs that only push their own and their corp’s agendas. They are all veterans that have no clue what the real new player experience is like. CCP asking the CSMs to help them improve the game to help with new player retention is like asking a leper to give you a facial.

It’s stupid stuff like the OP’s complaint that makes new players leave.

[ResonanceOfWar]

@Michal_Somebody

They are all veterans that have no clue what the real new player experience is like. CCP asking the CSMs to help them improve the game to help with new player retention is like asking a leper to give you a facial.

There is one CSM that is specialised in new bro’s I forgot their name thou but if you look through it you will find him/her. Also we where all newbro’s once in a different ecosystem thou.

Edit: The name of the CSM member is Kshal Aideron (Apparently a newbro, so you got your wish)
(Kshal Aideron for CSM 17 (the newbro candidate))

[Shipwreck_Jones]

@Ash_Beldrulf

Fine if CCP want new players to not be able to build anything that is on them.

Yeah, that’s a pretty good point. I mean, I did industry as a newbro and couldn’t get everything I needed in HS back then either (nor did I want to gather everything myself). So, in order to get missing mats, I turned to this little know thing called the player driven market. It’s kind of crazy that more people don’t know about it. It’s probably Eve’s best kept secret.

Of course, it’s waaaaaaay to complicated for most newbro traders and industrialists to figure out. So, it’s probably best that we don’t tell them about it. I mean, the only reason I was able to make use of it is because I went to Yale Business school. Good luck to everybody else though.

Anyway, CCP is ruining Eve… and everyone’s moms’ lady parts.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

I think you forgot someone. @Mike_Azariah is champion of newbros

[QuakeGod]

If players could get everything they needed in one area, then they would never leave that area or trade outside of it…

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

OP does nothing but whine and cry over any industry changes. Just look at their posting history

[ResonanceOfWar]

Thanks, I thought he was high sec in general.

[Kshal_Aideron]

Hello, Kshal Aideron – a csm17 candidate that is NOT a vet. At my young 2 years and some months in the game I haven’t managed to procure the bitter and jaded achievement yet.

But in all seriousness, issues like these are why I’m running for CSM.

For enjoyment, I pvp and try to drag every non-pvper and new player along on my rookie roams however when I’m not FCing NPSI pvp fleets or rookie oriented incursion fleets I’m probably on an alpha trying some ‘vet’s’ tutorial or trying to understand the pain points a new player faces.

Up until now I’ve focused mostly on the NPE, career missions, some abyssals, incursions, and missions in high sec, I’m now starting to mine on an alpha to figure out what a brand new player encounters. So talk to me. I may not make CSM this year, but I’ll just be right back at it next year. Like Mike it may take 3 or 4 times, but I’ll get there and when I do I’ll be more than prepared!

Here’s my official CSM thread, but you can always contact me directly on the Eve Rookies discord. I also regularly stream so you’re more than welcome to share your ideas with me there (though if you catch me FCing a pvp fleet I might not be as chatty since I need to pay attention to my little chicks).

[Io_Koval]

@Ash_Beldrulf thank you for the monthly June edition of your complaints while ignoring all advice anyone gives you (including literally ignoring someone in this thread who lived an experience that runs counter to your viewpoint):

I’m sounding like a broken record but it is because you keep starting threads on the order of every month with nothing but complaints

Details on forthcoming improvements to compression mechanics

Sounds like you’re getting the shaft, and up until now have been OK with it. So fix it and ask your friends to split the extra ore they mine due to the boost % diff? Or pay you your fair share. There’s a million ways to address this between you and your friends without complaining about your existing bad deal on the forums. I mean, I can complain to the devs that I’m not getting a gazillion ISK/hr for [insert justification], but at the end of the day I have to deal with the reality of what the…

Industrial Command Boosting Ships

Didn’t we have this discussion already, less than two months ago? If you’re mining in a Porpoise as the sole booster ship in a mining fleet with “you mine it you keep it” rules between you and your friends and are sad about it not being economically viable, then that suggests: What I said 2 months ago: reach a better deal with your friends. Split fuel costs evenly. Or, you take 50% of their boosted yield (if they are getting 16m3/s extra from your boost, you get 8m/s of it and they get 8m3…

Disappointed

Why are you expecting CCP to do anything additional to the new status quo after delivering their final economic patch to end scarcity? They’ve been exceedingly clear this is the new normal. We went over this three months ago: And we went over this last month: It’s been several months, what all have you actually tried doing? Have you tried having fun mining in low or null sec instead and avoid pirates and bubbles? Have you reached a different economic agreement with your friends? Are you ad…

Why be a cog?

Am I going to have to create a master post of your repeated complaints? I’m sounding like a broken record but it is because you keep starting threads on the order of every month with nothing but complaints: what have you tried new? What has worked and what hasn’t? What have you learned from what you’ve tried? My quote from your previous thread is directly applicable here:

[Mike_Azariah]

Shipwreck has the right of it. You are not supposed to be able to build cool stuff without realizing that not everything is available everywhere.

Oh and the comment about L4 loot being a source for small amounts was right as well.

MMOs . . . there are two roads they go down. One is a solo play can do everything and the other players are just background crowds. Then there is Eve. You are forced to acknowledge that other players exist, either to support you or foil your attempts (or both)

I kinda like it like this

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[Brisc_Rubal]

@Ash_Beldrulf

High Sec can not build any ships from ore mined in High Sec. All frigates and destroyers require Isogen that can not be mined in High Sec.

Also every frigate and destroyer that is reprocessed does not give back the isogen.

Either include the minerals in the reprocessing of ships or remove that mineral from building the ships. I was cleaning up the markets before scarcity by reprocessing all sub caps that were being sold at 50% or less of mineral worth.

This is specifically CCP’s design. They want all areas of space to be interconnected, where nobody can do everything in their home territory.

[Ash_Beldrulf]

@Brisc_Rubal

where nobody can do everything in their home territory.

This is not a do everything in any region. This is a can not do anything in any region.

Nothing like telling new players, that they can not do indy to make isk, can not make isk mining in high sec, can not run missions because they don’t have the skills and the best they can hope for it to fly battleships year down the road.

This game and developers are lost or clueless!?

[Gergoran_Moussou]

If you’re wondering where to find Isogen, you might be able to find some in J5A-IX. Related Kills | J5A-IX | 2022-06-11 13:00 | zKillboard

I can’t get all of the minerals that I need in the system where I build either. Why should I sympathize with you?

[Gergoran_Moussou]

@Ash_Beldrulf

So new players shouldn’t be indy players?

A new player with a brain can quickly find a niche. Traditionally, rigs have been a good place to start, along with T2 ammunition (and T2 rigs). These things require a relatively low investment to get started, and typically have pretty good margins and high demand.