I invite you to the discussion club too. A very pleasant position on political issues.
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Thank you for the invitation, Iâll take a peek if the time permits!
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I do not know what the future holds, but for now the Empire is an ally and an open market.
So far the Empire appears occupied in military entanglements with the Republic not the State. Given the skill and bravery of Minmatar warriors I do not think such a situation will change soon.
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Maxwell-haani, the Amarr are fine allies. They show up regularly to help us defend -our- space from the Gallente, often on short notice, with spotty information and with generous outlay of blood and treasure. In all my dealings with them, they have been honest, fair, and helpful.
Culturally, we share many deep similarities which may not be obvious. The belief in a Creator, respect for our ancestors, a system of honor, an acknowledgement of hierarchy. I admit I find some of their ideas of merit misguided, but I think you grossly oversimplify their aims in seeing them as warmongering conquerers. They have differing opinions.
In regard to your point concerning relations with the Republic, I think we agree.
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I believe that we should crank the following scheme:
- Unexpectedly support the Minmatar in their war of liberation.
- Encourage the creation of an inter-corporate council of Minmotars, like ours.
- Supply minmotar only through the Council, strengthening it.
- Now Ammar has only enemies.
(I do not like slavery.)
I am weird?)
The Republic is a semi-criminal organization, that is run by a former raider that has committed illegal invasions into foreign countries when he was younger. Their situation with angel cartel, that can take over whole planets, isnât helpful either.
They are aggressive bullies on the international arena, initiating wars with neighbors only because they donât like the ways the Empire deals with their debtors (namely, slavery).
And the most important part that we always shall keep in mind, unlike our Honorable allies from the Empire, you simply canât trust Republic. We already know how they treat their alliesâŚ
Colelie.
No, thanks, we donât need allies like that.
It is unsurprising that you would, given the immense need for deference for an outsider to feel obliged to render the necessary formalities in a rigid society such as the Empire. Believe it or not, it is also warranted in the Federation in formal situations, although generally it is not used in a manner to act contrarian on the Summit boards.
Allow me to rectify my original statement to satisfy your particular inquisitiveness: very few individuals that post on this forum any derivative implying respect before stating something completely contradictory actually harbour any for the recipient of their words.
There are those I will impart the necessary and deserved respect on that I deal with regularly. Very few make their presences known on the Summit.
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Well, that leads to an interesting idea, doesnât it? If the bravery and skill of the Minmatar are keeping the Empire from turning its attention to Reclaiming the State⌠then it sounds to me like thereâs a case to be made that the Minmatar are doing more to defend the State than those Caldari who act to provide military support to short-term âalliesâ that ultimately mean to destroy the State.
And, you know, donât make any secret of that intention.
I would say the Empire reclaiming the State remains a hypothetical scenario.
The present reality however appears that Imperial revanchist policy towards the Republic, defense against the Triglavian Collective, and requirements to operate within the interstellar legal framework of CONCORD constrain any likely attack upon the State.
As such, I would advocate that State policy should reflect reality and not the vagaries of hypothetical scenarios.
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I have read in some journals on GalNet that some people on Gallente Prime even after they made contact with our glorious people (and thus certainly saw their planet from space) were claiming their planet was⌠flat. Like a bharghest, ya know?
I believe discussing both these scenarios is the same thing.
I would say just because the Amarr Empire could try to reclaim the State does not mean it will try to reclaim the State.
To assert something could happen therefore it will is just an appeal to probability.
If you think the Empire will just leave you be, you really need to learn about their corrupt faith.
The main point of it is to âreclaimâ everyone else.
In the end, if they canât get you to willingly submit to them, they will attempt to force you to do so. Itâs just a matter of time until they no longer find you useful.
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No thatâd be the very core of their society, the Reclaiming, that says they will. You know, that absolutely integral part of The Rite, which is the defining feature of the entire Empireâs identity and without which theyâd cease to be. Roll that one around in mouth a bit and see how it tastes. A core part of their very identity, of which any attempt to change would trigger survival instincts and nations donât go for the âflightâ option.
There is only two options: The Empire ceases to be, in any form thatâd be even remotely recognizable, or it absolutely without question will eventually go for reclaiming the State.
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I would say that the Empire itself has already told you that it will try to Reclaim the State.
Which planets around which of your stars do you think that doesnât apply to?
And which worlds of the State do you think are somehow exempted from this?
They have already told you their intentions. You simply insist on calling them liars.
Personally, were I Caldari, I would advocate that State policy would be to find allies who donât actually want to control the entire cluster, and stand back-to-back with them against all potential enemies, especially since the two larger powers cannot reach a similar accordâto do so would mean endangering their own long-term interests by enabling a rival.
I can only judge the relationship between the Empire and State by what the Amarr have actually done, and not speculation on what the Empire might do. In their interactions with the State the Empire has proven to be steadfast, honest, and open to friendship in mutual defence of shared interests. While I understand the Minmatar relationship with the Amarr Empire has been characterised by violence, this has not been the case with the Caldari State. As such I think Caldari have a less jaundiced view as to Amarr intentions towards themselves.
I cannot comment on interpreting Amarr Scripture because I am not trained in theological strictures nor possess the necessary knowledge to perform the requisite exegesis and place them in the correct context for interpretation.
However, I am aware that the Amarr do not believe in immutable Scripture and that their doctrinal truths as regards their orthodoxy can and has changed either through the promulgation of new inspiration from the divine or through revelatory truths given by their God to their Emperors and Empresses.
While I cannot deny that the Amarr Empire has engaged in military conquest in the past, I also cannot deny that the doctrines which informed such conquests might be liable to change in the future.
This is akin to saying that a child being lured with the promise of candy has a âless jaundiced viewâ toward their would-be abductor.
Yes, you really need training in Theology to understandâŚ
âA priority order has been drawn up for the full reclaiming of the population of Floseswin IV.â
Thatâs the order that began a planetary invasion. That invasion saw the Amarr use anti-matter WMDs against civilian populationsâand it is still ongoing.
Ask them. Ask @Gaven_Lok_ri or @Aldrith_Shutaq or @Mitara_Newelle this very simple question:
âIf the Amarr Empire had no-one else to Reclaim, would they come for the State?â
See if any of them would dare try to give assurances that the Empire has no intention of subjugating the Caldari people, destroying Wayism and belief in the Winds, and remaking you all in their image. At best, theyâll mouth platitudes about what the Empire intends âat this timeâ. Longer term⌠they know the truth.
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Their hope is, of course, that at that point they do not have to come for the State, because the State has seen the inevitable, and transformed their beliefs enough to conform to the Rite. The Maker is forgotten and the role taken up by God; the Winds will be metaphors for (Amarrian) virtues; megacorp CEOs will bend the knee and become Holders; the Caldari people will proudly explain how they were valued allies to Godâs Chosen and as such were allowed to keep some of their unique festivals and courting customs and their quaint, peculiar cuisine.
They are not hoping the Caldari will eventually become another Minmatar tribe, to be conquered by force. They are hoping for them to become the next Ni-Kunni.
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Donât waste your and our time, trying to spread your propaganda to Caldari. We donât fall for that.
Caldari believe two things: actual facts and words of Merited people.
The Empire are our Honorable allies and thus we Do believe them to hold allied status.
Your words surely contradict theirs. And we do not consider your words, because earlier you said this:
That makes you a liar and oathbreaker.
Your words have no merit, especially if itâs your words against words of the Honorable Amarr Empire.
Thatâs not how Caldari think.
We donât really operate on beliefs, even amount of actual Wayists among us is pretty low and decreases every day. Nobody cares here if youâre Wayist or if you are following Imperial Rite. If youâre Caldari, you are expected to do your Duty to the State, and what your actual beliefs are, it is your business and your alone. With how much collectivist we are, still we donât have actually collective religion/beliefs. Worship Amarr God, visit Wayist shrine, do some Minmatar rituals whatever you have if you have any - as long as it doesnât prevent you doing your duty or affects other citizens, itâs all good. Though if your beliefs or religious practices diminish your efficiency even by 1% youâll have a PROBLEM.
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It is not how Caldari think now, and your peopleâs adherence to diversity of belief as long as one acts with honor is a cultural feature that I personally appreciate a lot.
However, I am pretty certain that as for the Amarr their hope is that you âget over thatâ on your own, so that when the rest of us are Reclaimed, they do not have to fight you, because you are ready to submit willingly.
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