Okay. Thanks for replying.
The only step you needed to take was āgo to CSM area on forums.ā
This is probably because we have asked for this so many times and have been given the same answer - itās not possible to do it in a secure way - that weāve stopped asking for it.
I asked about this in the beginning of my term and the old guys laughed at me because every body has asked for that at some point.
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Not really. Itās still multiple servers. Then there is the part where if there isnt cross play between platforms, each system has their own server.
Where as eve is one giant ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā for the whole world. Excluding china.
Ok, letās take it from the top: give me an example of a representational system where the onus is on the representative, not the constitutent.
Well, then you should probably checkā¦
Itās in the CSM section of the forums. Where the hell else is the CSM supposed to be conducting business? Whatās next? āI shouldnāt have to actually call to have my pizza delivered, they should just knowā?
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+1 for the pizza place to ājust knowā
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Until one day they pitch up at your house with a pizza and are like, I know you didnāt order but we just knew.
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āTrust us, dude, the pineapple and banana pepper pie is exactly what you wanted, you just didnāt know. But we know.ā
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Like I said earlier, it would help a lot if a notification thread inviting the playerbase to participate was posted in the sub-forum associated with that topic.
Wow, you really are a pompous arse.
When a restaurant / fast food shop offers a special, they notify potential customers personally with mailing coupons and or Email notifications. They definitely donāt just sit in their shop and wait for people to show up. Itās all about exposure and advertisement. Without that, the only people who will know itās available are homeless poor sodās hanging out there looking for a handout.
That same principal applies here as well.
When the CSM post a thread in their sub-forum asking for input from the community about a specific topic, they can advertise it by posting a notification thread in the sub-forum associated with that thread topic.
Yes. I really am. Is that supposed to be a revelation? 
Right. And when a restaurant or fast food shop has their regular menu items on their menu, itās called their menu. You have to actually look at their menu.
The CSM listening to player ideas through the CSM forum isnāt a āspecialā. Itās the normal process.
Now weāve gone from āasking what the playersā issues areā to āa specific topicā. How are they supposed to know to ask about a specific topic if they havenāt heard from players about what their issues are? Imagine every topic possible and post a separate thread in the . . .
Which portion of the forum should this go in? Because āthe sub-forum associated with that thread topicā would seem to be the CSM sub-forum. Cuz the topic is the CSM asking for information.
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Jokes aside iām using taxi twice every workday in morning and in evening. Every day it is the same time, the same starting and destination points.
Exceptions occur for sure but they are, well, exceptions.
Couple years and i still need to make a call twice a day.
Really hoping that once i will just get a call from taxi saying that the car is already waiting for me or asking if i want to have it āas usualāā¦
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Heh, obviously you canāt help yourself, constantly twisting things around and then portray them out of context just so you can write your trollish wall of text replies.
When a CSM member posts a thread asking for input from the playerbase about a specific topic, thatās a āspecialā.
I donāt know where you got that from, youāre either actually quite dense or just a sad little troll who likes to post worthless dribble.
Maybe you should try taking time to actually read what is written instead of quickly doing selective quoting just so you can post more troll remarks.
I highly doubt it but maybe this will help you understand what Iām talking about - CSM member creates a thread in the CSM sub-forum requesting player input about PvE content.
In order to get a proper response to the thread, CSM member then posts a notification thread in the PvE sub-forum informing PvE players about his CSM sub-forum thread.
Heās definitely not going to post a notification thread in the āMarketplaceā sub-forum, or any other sub-forum for that matter.
Maybe thatās just too difficult for you to understand.
Except that all of these issues cross PvE and PvP lines. Which one does the VNI nerf fall under? Which one do Rorq stats fall under? Are supercapitals a PvP or PvE problem? Does tweaking supercap performance vs rats suddenly not impact it in PvP?
Where did I get my statement from?
That right there is you wanting them to ask what the playerās issues are, not soliciting specific feedback on a specific topic. And itās what I replied to when you ādisagreed with everythingā I said. In fact, letās back it up even further, through the post from Buoytender that you responded to, to where you originally got pissy at Brisc:
Go on now. Tell me thatās about asking for feedback on a specific topic, instead of asking what the playersā issues are. We can do the whole step-by-step of you shifting your goalposts, if you want, but itās not really going to help your claim that Iām the one twisting things around, here.
And no, the CSM posting threads asking for feedback isnāt āspecialā, itās just part of the normal process. Each of them has different ways of gathering information from the playerbase. None of those ways is particularly special or groundbreaking. None of them should be taken as āOMG A THING HAS HAPPENED THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED FOR AN AGE!!ā
A CSM posting a āwhat do you guys think?ā may not happen as often as some of us might like, but it aināt the freakinā Ents going to war. And more of them would likely directly engage if not for the abuse they get on these forums.
Stop for a minute and ask yourself why Jinātaan isnāt asking these questions this year. The guyās tired of face-tanking a whole bunch of nerds who are looking for excuses to take a crap all over the hard work he and the other CSMs have put in, for years.
Instead of being an ass like this other dude, I will instead ask what is it that you feel needs to be brought to attention that would have been uncovered by more suggestion threadās (There were quite a few I remember reading them all).
Also look at CSM read timeās (almost 5 - 10 X more than CCP accountās) they go through our threads summarize in their own notes and bring it forward, if CSM where not here a lot of our threads on the forums would just be lost to the wind making the community feel unheard.
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The problem is thatās not where they go. CSM suggestions are supposed to go in our forums. I donāt want to create a bunch of work for the mods. But hey, I posted requests for comment on these forums and in the unofficial Facebook group. Iām in like 30 discords, get random EVE mails from folks all the time, and Iām reddit like hourly. If thereās something you want to share with me, please donāt hesitate. Iām not at all hard to find.
Consider that an invitation.
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@DeMichael_Crimson you could also use the ālatestā button to show the latest posts that were made. Thatās how I find where the major conversations are. Or scrolling through the forum. Itself.
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ftfy.
Talk about moving goalposts, every time you post your troll reply you continue to move them further out of the arena.
Good gawd, are you really that fracking dense?
You wanna talk PvP you do it in the PvP Gameplay Center forum. You wanna talk PvE you do it in the PvE Gameplay Center forum. You wanna talk about current changes to ship stats you do it in the EVE Information Portal forum or in the EVE Technology and Research Center forum. The forum list goes on. Each of those forums has a sub-forum dedicated to topics specific to that content.
I made a generalized statement and lumped a few different suggestions together yet you gotta nit-pick it to death and focus on one specific aspect of it? Good gawd, just exactly how dense are you. What is so hard about understanding what I said?
What a bunch of BS, do you even read what you write? You know damn well what Iām talking about, yet you continue to mix everything up in some desperate attempt to prove me wrong.
Next time you back up the goalposts, make sure you get the facts straight. I didnāt get pissy with Brisc. In fact my original statement was directed to Steve Ronuken which lumped together different topic suggestions, it definitely wasnāt just player issues. Also get it through your thick head, my statement first started as a generalized suggestion, then started getting more specific due to your constant nagging and nit-picking with listing the various thread topics Brisc posted in the CSM sub-forum.
Gawd, Iām seriously tired of your grandstanding BS. You fracking started it with the Pizza crap and I continued that analogy with potential customers being personally notified with mail about Fast Food āspecialsā.
And for the record if a CSM member posts a thread asking the playerbase for input about specific topic, then that is indeed āSPECIALā because they donāt actually have to do that.
Gawd, youāre just a bitter old piece of ā¦ Most of the time all you ever do on these forums is write massive walls of text trolling people into a forum flame war over nothing. I canāt believe I got sucked into feeding your damn troll arse. Wonāt happen again.
lol, your first statement is 100% right, I couldnāt agree more.
As for your question, I havenāt seen a large outcry from the community asking for the removal of attributes yet that seems to be a pressing issue with the CSM. Removing attributes and changing everything associated with them seems to me would be a large workload for CCP to undertake which would take Dev time away from addressing other more important balance issues.
You mean like the CSM sub forum for all CSM related matters?
You obviously know about sub forums, why was it so hard to find the CSM one if you wanted CSM contact.
Edit: You could even set it to notify you about any new posts if you want.